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Post by nica575 on Sept 26, 2011 13:37:10 GMT -5
I too was struck by the "not that hard" statement but in a very positive way. I think Adam was addressing specifically the despair that many parents feel when they first learn their kid is gay. Even if they are a tolerant person themselves, they're afraid that their kid is going to have a hard life and be alone, perhaps an outcast, perhaps emotionally tortured all their lives.
Adam was saying that he is living proof that you can have a life that is not hard, but great. That parents shouldn't have to bear this burden of worry. As for the moving to a big city ... I've watched enough "It Gets Better" videos to see that this is exactly what many of the adults are telling the kids. Just get through high school and then escape to a community where you will be accepted. My take on that advice is that it shouldn't be that way, but it still is ... ITA. I am the mother of a gay son that grew up in So Cal with liberal accepting parents, friends and family. Even his grandparents were wonderful and accepting. HOWEVER, we were caught more off-guard than Leila and Eber, although we had suspected on occasion, it wasn't clear to us that he was gay. I despaired in private for the struggle he had gone through and those he might have to face ahead of him. Also for the grandchildren I probably wouldn't have and the idea that he might be alone through life. Thoughts of aids flash through your mind and beatings by bullies. I got over it quickly though. He had clearly become part of a wonderful, diverse (not without their problems) community. Has always lived in "accepting" areas - that no one would call ghetto's by any stretch of the imagination. We have been accepted by his group and he and his friends accepted by ours. Parties are so much fun! I think Adam was trying to assure loved ones of gays/lesbians, that life goes on much the same for them when they're not in a repressive environment. I would advise an adult gay child to move to an accepting area as soon as they could manage to do so. College is a good place to start. I think straight people in the repressive communities bear the burden of changing their environments into safe places for LGBT folks. My very dear friends just had a granddaughter born to their son and his husband. They don't know whose biological child it is (mixed sperm) but it really doesn't matter Both sets of grandparents are going crazy over the baby The couple is planning the second child. So - nowadays - there is a great chance you'll have your grandchildren by him! and I sure hope that one day very soon it will NOT be HARD anymore anywhere, in any community. Adam is doing a great job helping the world to get there!
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Post by savvy92 on Sept 26, 2011 13:38:14 GMT -5
Obviously everyone has a different opinion and really it's just where your line is...but sometimes, just because you can doesn't mean you should...JMO. But true once they opened it to the public it was inevitable. And he really is a master of saying nothing. Just wondering...why shouldn't a fan attend a public event? What are the negatives here? It was an event that was made open to the public. I'm VERY uncomforble with the stalking behavior, such as sneaking into video shoots or sitting at Adam's table at a small show, but this was an event that had tickets for sale. Was anyone overstepping the boundaries? No, not in my estimation. I agree with the theory that it was an open event, Adam knew AZg was a fan, he didn’t ask that their pictures and communication be kept private. I don’t think this is a case of not taking the higher road, I think it is much ado about nothing, similar to those who feel Ådam’s private life should not be discussed.... AT ALL. Fine, if you don’t want to read about it, scroll. Stealing photos from private Facebook accounts = Bad Sharing photos from public event = Sweet and generous JMO
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Post by gelly14 on Sept 26, 2011 13:44:01 GMT -5
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Post by geezlouise on Sept 26, 2011 13:46:19 GMT -5
I will never begrudge Adam his initial reaction to the ‘Gay Messiah’ meme that was thrust upon him in the beginning, too heavy a mantle for someone so young and at the start of his career.
He has known HIS life and is still a young man finding his way in the world. I am more than willing to cut him some slack as far as understanding what his life may have been like without HIS family and outside of HIS comfort zone of SoCal/Hollywood.
IMO he has never made important life choices lightly. He seems to weigh his options and live with them for a while before he chooses his path. He seems to have chosen to be fulfilled by his emerging role rather than letting himself be overwhelmed by it. A lesser man could drown under the pressure, but because he hasn’t made this choice impulsively I think he has thought about ways to wear this mantle well, without it sitting so heavily on his shoulders. I am proud of him and look forward to all aspects of his future.
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Post by SusieFierce on Sept 26, 2011 13:47:31 GMT -5
Thanks to those who brought us pics and video. I loved seeing Adam and his mom at this event. I wouldn't over-analyze what he says when he's speaking off the cuff and not from a prepared speech. I do wish he would stop using the word notoriety instead of fame. I've noticed he has done this before. Someone should tweet him and let him know that notoriety is fame in a bad way. I don't want our Adam to be notorious!!! I have noticed this also - I have also noticed him stop and change words when he starts to say "famous". I think this is related to the discussion yesterday of not wanting to appear cocky or arrogant. He seems uncomfortable with referring to himself as "famous" and is using "notoriety" as a less egoistic version of the word. ITA; ironically, though I know there is a negative connotation in the genesis of the word, I never think of it as negative anymore. LOVE your post, 8toinfinity!!! and you certainly have a unique angle. I totally didn't think anything negative was implied with the comments that it doesn't have to be a hard life in Adam's speech either. I think some of his amazing attitude stems from the fact that he NEVER seems to dwell on things, particularly past pain and frustration. Like the struggles he had trying to make it in entertainment. (I was watching the Slezak interviews yesterday, and the question about why was he never signed ... he is so matter-of-fact and positive about something many might consider a great injustice if they were in his shoes.) Same with his contention that living an out life can really be a lot of fun; it doesn't have to be hard. He has such an "it is what it is" attitude that the hard stuff never seems to even permeate. Or he just somehow exorcises that baggage from his consciousness. I really thought it interesting that he had to actively "go back" to his time as a teenager to remember. (Kind of reminded me how he talked about having to go back to journals to remind himself what it was like to NOT be blissfully in love.) He has an uncanny ability to not carry that stuff around with him and I think that's why some have accused him of being blasé about gay rights issues in the past, but I really think it's part of his almost super-human ability to be so unrelentingly positive.
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Post by nica575 on Sept 26, 2011 13:49:43 GMT -5
I will never begrudge Adam his initial reaction to the ‘Gay Messiah’ meme that was thrust upon him in the beginning, too heavy a mantle for someone so young and at the start of his career. He has known HIS life and is still a young man finding his way in the world. I am more than willing to cut him some slack as far as understanding what his life may have been like without HIS family and outside of HIS comfort zone of SoCal/Hollywood. IMO he has never made important life choices lightly. He seems to weigh his options and live with them for a while before he chooses his path. He seems to have chosen to be fulfilled by his emerging role rather than letting himself be overwhelmed by it. A lesser man could drown under the pressure, but because he hasn’t made this choice impulsively I think he has thought about ways to wear this mantle well, without it sitting so heavily on his shoulders. I am proud of him and look forward to all aspects of his future. AMEN
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 13:51:02 GMT -5
Whoa! I hope Cam elaborates on this tweet! WUT?!
UhHuhHerMusicU H H So we've joined the ranks alongside @bjaofficial and @thatkevinsmith for being kicked off an @southwestair flight, this time for being gay.
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Post by aurora on Sept 26, 2011 13:52:05 GMT -5
Nice drawings I found on twitter today. @maikelovesmusicMaike ♫ September 26, 2011 twitpic.com/6r1oesMy new drawing of @adamlambert @teplooo Irina Grigoreva September 26, 2011 twitpic.com/6r1ssjOutlaws of Love
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Post by Craazyforadam on Sept 26, 2011 13:53:56 GMT -5
Scars make us who we are Hearts and homes are broken, broken Far, we could go so far With our minds wide open, open.
Certainly not the lyrics from somebody who does not understand that others have it much harder than he himself does. Others already said, that is not what he meant and he did not quite see initially where his own role and involvement in all this would eventually be.
I have often wondered how Adam's "coming out" as a celebrity would have happened, if speculation in the media had not run rampant during idol and he would have been famous as singer who won/almost won idol first and would have had the time to process everything and then create his own "public coming out" moment.
Thanks to Perez Hilton, Bill O'Reilly and many others we will never know. It was not meant to happen that way. But I am convinced that this whole alteration in plans did throw Adam for a loop.
Clearly he had thought about it beforehand. He had thought about celebrity status (pop goes the camera) and had decided that he wanted to live as an OUT celebrity should he every achieve any fame long before that actually happened. He then proudly wrote that he was gay on his idol application. There was no intent to hide, just an intent to make this about music and the arts rather than about everything else.
Then, when things obviously did not quite go that way during idol and thereafter and he was asked even right in the idol finale press conference what he thought about those bloggers that say that he only lost because he was gay (by the way: A situation he handled brilliantly, imo) he had to rethink things. Obviously it dawned on him that the reality of his situation looked a little differently than whatever he had planned out for himself.
So his immediate action plan was: Turn that RS offer into his opportunity and use that to officially bury the ongoing rumor frenzy, meanwhile manage people like Perez for 4 weeks so they don't ruin that plan-B and then otherwise play "a hide and seek game" with the rest of the media and all the paparazzi who were eager to get the scoop or interview.
In my mind, Adam made the absolute best out of the situation as it was.
Then came the post RS time and I think he thought that now that all was in the open, he would get a breather. He found out that this was not to be. All the expectations from everyone around were coming down on him right at a time where he tried to create his album and was on tour and really had no time to think twice about what to do about the continued debate. He probably wondered why people stayed so interested.
He was not the first celebrity to "come out", he was also not the most famous person to be out, so why did the topic not go away?
That is where he had to find his continued role and I think that this is what he truly was struggling with for a while.
For people like i.e. Ricky Martin just the step of coming out was a twenty year long battle and so that made sense in some way because something had been overcome. For Adam, he did not personally feel that struggle so much in his life and so the soap box moment was not so important.
But given that the topic did not go away for him he had to find his voice and will continue to have to find his way of making sense of the fact that a huge part of his private life is dragged out and discussed in public. He is being honored for being a representative of the gay community, his public voice on behalf of this community that is not one homogeneous block continues to be a strong one.
In many ways Adam is again one step ahead of the pack. It is not his coming out that adds the significance to his life, but rather his personal WAY of being out.
ETA: just fixed some sentences
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 13:54:21 GMT -5
Yes! And I love it! Shoes, cuffs, rings, hems... even the press thinks Adam's body is a playground! ;D
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