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Post by nica575 on Sept 26, 2011 14:56:00 GMT -5
Alright call be silly or stupid or whatever, but out of all of the times that I've been on an airplane I've never actually saw anyone showing and public displays of affection besides holding hands, hugging or resting head on someone's shoulders etc. Without knowing further details, I think this has to do with showing PDA as well as the ignorance that people have with gay/lesbian people, that they think that something such as kissing is indecent and (that it automatically will lead to something else, as in they view that kissing as more of a sexual act when it's being someone of the GLT as opposed to being someone straight), and that Cam and girlfriend might have gotten a little unruly in their justified anger. guilty - in my younger state :-[ remember sitting on my BF's lap and making out while waiting for take off. not a peep out of anyone, until I was very politely asked to please take my seat and buckle up for the take off... that's that.. can't remember the airline... |
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Post by katycake on Sept 26, 2011 14:56:10 GMT -5
@uhhuhhermusicu H H
I call for a boycott for @southwestair for their intolerance. Period. Unacceptable. Keep hearing more stories of these incidences. Insane!
I hope it makes the news.
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Post by justgill on Sept 26, 2011 14:57:48 GMT -5
I will never begrudge Adam his initial reaction to the ‘Gay Messiah’ meme that was thrust upon him in the beginning, too heavy a mantle for someone so young and at the start of his career. He has known HIS life and is still a young man finding his way in the world. I am more than willing to cut him some slack as far as understanding what his life may have been like without HIS family and outside of HIS comfort zone of SoCal/Hollywood. IMO he has never made important life choices lightly. He seems to weigh his options and live with them for a while before he chooses his path. He seems to have chosen to be fulfilled by his emerging role rather than letting himself be overwhelmed by it. A lesser man could drown under the pressure, but because he hasn’t made this choice impulsively I think he has thought about ways to wear this mantle well, without it sitting so heavily on his shoulders. I am proud of him and look forward to all aspects of his future.  |
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Post by gelly14 on Sept 26, 2011 14:59:50 GMT -5
I won't bring over all the tweets but Neil jumped right in and so are many many Adam fans tweeting to SouthwestAir. I think it's gonna make the news.
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Post by bobo on Sept 26, 2011 15:00:49 GMT -5
@azglamfan Told Adam I loved that Sauli was so supportive and Adam said Sauli's support makes all the difference in the world...#Rakastan Sauli's support makes all the difference in the world....So heartbreaking!  |
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Post by cassie on Sept 26, 2011 15:02:52 GMT -5
My take on Adam's comments. Probably been discussed to death, but...
1. Re: Adam saying it took some time for him to get his footing and use his platform to talk about gay rights. If you have not been close to someone who is an obsessively dedicated musician/artist, you may not grasp how totally consumed they become in their art. It dominates what they do, what they think, what they listen to, what they watch, what they read, what they spend money on, what they talk about. It is not just their job. It is also their hobby, It is their first choice of activity. It is their cause. It is their community.
I recall Adam being asked about his hobbies and what he does in his free time, and he paused to think, and said, basically music. Fortunately, he also included being with friends, but I would bet they are mostly artists as well. Adam has also said he has no interest in politics. I can totally understand him saying he is a musician, not a spokesperson for a cause. I can understand him feeling out of his element having to talk about being gay and championing gay issues. I can totally understand that he did not define himself by his orientation, but by his passion for his art, and may not have felt qualified or even interested in becoming the poster boy for gay rights. For someone with his artistic focus/obsession, to re-examine his role, recognize his influence and embrace the mantle is admirable.
2. Adam has said in several interviews that he interacts with the audience, and the audience influences his performance or his response. His audience at PFLAG was parents and families of LGBT children. I think he tapped into their concerns and worries about their loved ones not having a happy, fulfilled, rich life - a very common concern of even the most liberal of parents. He wanted to reassure them that, tho' there is much to be done before we reach anything approaching equality, their children don't go thru their lives only as victims, mourning what they don't have, and dealing with the "darkness" of their "lot in life." Their children can find acceptance, a loving community, happiness, and joy, fun. For a family member, that message would be a beautiful gift of affirmation. Very much in keeping with Adam's positive outlook on life. I applaud him for recognizing that issue and speaking to it.
3. I do think that Adam chooses the word "notoriety". I think he probably uses that term to refer to all the attention he gets that is NOT for his artistry, his singing, his performance. As an artist, he may see it all as "hoopla" unrelated to his passion. I imagine he would be happy and proud of his fame as an artist, and amused and resigned to his notoriety as a celebrity who changes his hairstyle, sports a goatee, or walks to his car.
Just my take on the topics of the day. YMMV
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Post by NoAngel on Sept 26, 2011 15:07:41 GMT -5
I checked and Southwest actually has a strong record and is considered gay-friendly, rating 95/100 by the Human Rights Campaign: gaytravel.about.com/od/planningyourtrip/p/Southwest_Air.htmI think their fast response to Cam's tweet shows that they want to hear what she experienced. Unless they have a no-PDA policy, it's discriminatory to treat same-sex kissing differently than hetero kissing. I also think it's premature to call for a boycott. The company should be given the opportunity to respond to the issue. If they have a good non-discrimination policy in place and the employee violated it, s/he should be disciplined appropriately. And the airline should issue a formal apology to Cam and her partner. One rogue employee should not bring down an entire company if their policies and record are good. And I'm speaking as someone who has been in management for many years. I've fired people on the spot for violations of policy, but I wouldn't want anyone to think that one person's behavior represents my organization's position. IMO of course...  And if Southwest doesn't respond appropriately, all bets are off, I guess. |
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Post by wal on Sept 26, 2011 15:09:10 GMT -5
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Post by wal on Sept 26, 2011 15:11:09 GMT -5
milestougeaux Miles Tougeaux
@leisha_Hailey @southwestair Request that SWA provide their written guidelines 4 passenger behavior that may result in removal from a flight
8 minutes ago
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Post by Buderschnookie on Sept 26, 2011 15:11:22 GMT -5
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And if Southwest doesn't respond appropriately, all bets are off, I guess. 
