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Post by nica575 on Oct 8, 2011 9:13:08 GMT -5
I'm new here and the whole BFM argument confuses me. In truth I like the Citizen Vein songs and those are the ones on BFM. Having seen the ASCAP registry I don't think it's arguable that these are just older songs by Adam and Monte that no longer represent Adam's vision. I do get that Adam doesn't endorse it and it's not the real second record but it happens quite often that artists don't own their masters. Ironically Adam and Monte probably have more writing credit on this older record than they do on the first RCA record (if you look people like Max Martin and Dr. Luke wrote most of that stuff). Someone clearly has the rights to use Adam's name because who would be crazy enough to get into a legal battle with Sony who even if their music companies aren't doing so well make a fortune on TVs and playstations. Anyway - I'm not endorsing the product- I won't buy it but I sometimes feel like people in the glamily take Adam's 140 character tweets and invent details that aren't there. How can you blame Monte? He went into the studio and wrote some songs with Adam and now someone else got the rights? Not his doing. totally agree, based on the little info I was able to deduce from reading here - which is not much :-[ lm2718 - thank you for the answer re Monte's CD notes. Was it a general thank you? If the person helped Monte with his CD, why would it be wrong to thank him? |
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Post by Buderschnookie on Oct 8, 2011 9:13:55 GMT -5
Folks, I am repeating my question from to-morrow, so may be someone will be kind enough to explain something I obviously missed: WHY IS MONTE being "suspected" for his participation in the release? Is there any indication that he has facilitated or endorsed the release? Is it only because he did not deny his knowledge as Adam and Steve C. have done? Is there something more? I think he is suspected because he thanked the Welsford guy in the liner of his newest CD. Did I miss any other reasons? Plus Neil's tweet. Much of it stems from Lisa's calling Adam "Your Majesty"- I know it annoyed me terribly. |
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Post by tinafea on Oct 8, 2011 9:17:19 GMT -5
Folks, I am repeating my question from to-morrow, so may be someone will be kind enough to explain something I obviously missed: WHY IS MONTE being "suspected" for his participation in the release? Is there any indication that he has facilitated or endorsed the release? Is it only because he did not deny his knowledge as Adam and Steve C. have done? Is there something more? I think he is suspected because he thanked the Welsford guy in the liner of his newest CD. Did I miss any other reasons? the only other thing I can add is an Adam fan who I follow on twitter is close to Monte and she talked to Monte before this news released. She indicated that Monte was aware of the release. Adam certainly wasn't aware of it. My only thought is that Monte was refering to the Paramount Sessions recording??? |
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Post by chasingeden on Oct 8, 2011 9:17:34 GMT -5
Regarding the question about unofficial and bastard albums - [...] In July 2009, there was an announcement that the recordings from these sessions were going to be released. It did not happen. I have seen nothing that indicates that these recordings will actually be released now. Agreed. It's like fishing... for fan interest, for (free) PR, for behind-the-scene ($/dialogue) exchanges, ... JMO |
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Post by cassie on Oct 8, 2011 9:19:32 GMT -5
First off, let me clearly state that I think this whole CV Take One, Two, Three promotion is highly unethical and wrong in every way. If there is a way to block the release I hope Adam's lawyers find it quickly. I agree with not giving the scumbags any hits or promo. I agree with pulling their finger and toe nails out very slowly and painfully, as a matter of fact.
Having said that, I don't see that this will hurt Adam in the long run. (Except maybe personally.) I highly doubt that the "single" will get radio play. It certainly isn't mainstream pop, and it is dated. But, if it does get picked up and played, it is still better than much of the junk on radio today. Adam has nothing to be ashamed of in that recording.
The bastard web site does identify it as Adam's early work. If it gets publicity, that will be part of it as well. The public will understand that it is no more reflective of Adam's current work than his recording of "Is Anybody Listening." If they like it, great. If they don't, they can still go crazy for what Adam is creating now and comment on how he has grown and developed. Heck, they might even realize that Adam was not an "overnight" product of American Idol.
Musicians, painters, and authors have had early work published and released without their approval for hundreds of years. I am sure many of them were unhappy and felt it was not a good representation of them as artists. But, put in perspective, these early works give a more complete picture of the artist, and have not damaged their reputation for their later work.
Yes, it is irritating as hell. It is sleazy. It is upsetting. We should support Adam by not giving these vultures and bottom feeders any money. But, ultimately, when Adam's real single and album come out, I believe he will blow people away, and this bastard album will just be a blip, ultimately brushed aside. It will not sidetrack or derail the Adam momentum and rise to super stardom.
That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it. If nothing else, it feels better than angsting over something I cannot control.
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Post by bocababe on Oct 8, 2011 9:20:11 GMT -5
Lots of heated reading today. I have one thing to ask, would it not be in Monte's benefit to have Adams approval and backing on this which would then bring in much more money. We would all buy the albums and support them and also Monte in his personal recordings. All this could be a very negative for Monte in his future as most of his fans are Glamberts. I would think RCA would want the recordings to so they could put them out when the time is right. With the caveat that of course I don't know whether Monte is behind this or not... If we assume Monte is the catalyst, I'm sure he has tried - probably repeatedly - to get Adam's support for the release of the CV material. There have been rumors to that effect previously. However, as far as Adam is concerned, his priority is establishing himself in his current genre. Personally, I'd be surprised if Adam would have ever willingly released those songs, although that's pure speculation on my part. He seems to be all about moving forward, not looking back, and he has never seemed overly enamored of the CV material anyway. Again, if Monte is the catalyst, he must have come to that same conclusion - that Adam would never agree to the release of that music (or at least wouldn't do it in what Monte would consider a reasonable time frame), so he just decided to pull the trigger and hope there would be enough of Adam's fans who would just HAVE to have a "legit" copy instead of a bootleg. I'm having a hard time understanding why he'd think it would work out well for him to have those songs released without Adam's blessing, however, because beyond any fan reaction, he'd have to know that Adam himself would be beyond pissed off - which would quite possibly destroy his relationship with Adam. It's the one reason I'm still willing to cut him a bit of slack at this point. In any event, I do believe that Adam would probably never have any interest in the release of the CV material, unless he were in a very generous mood and wanted to do it for the sake of Monte and the rest of the band. If the time ever came when he decided he wanted to release a rock album, I imagine he'd prefer to come up with new material instead of releasing stuff he did years ago. |
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Post by 4Ms on Oct 8, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5
I think he is suspected because he thanked the Welsford guy in the liner of his newest CD. Did I miss any other reasons? Plus Neil's tweet. Much of it stems from Lisa's calling Adam "Your Majesty"- I know it annoyed me terribly. What's the date for the Lisa P tweets? I'd like to look at them again and can't find them on her twitter account. Was it closed? |
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Post by nica575 on Oct 8, 2011 9:23:52 GMT -5
I think he is suspected because he thanked the Welsford guy in the liner of his newest CD. Did I miss any other reasons? Plus Neil's tweet. Much of it stems from Lisa's calling Adam "Your Majesty"- I know it annoyed me terribly. Neil's tweet said "his name is on the CD" - I do not understand what this proves...Adam's name is on the CD as well... confusing to me... I thought it was never established whom Lisa was referring to...Wasn't it an assumption that she was talking about Adam? And if she were - how is that related to this album? I can see how we can create a "logical circumstantial" connection but it seems far fetched unless there is something else there... |
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Post by carrieb on Oct 8, 2011 9:24:06 GMT -5
Lots of heated reading today. I have one thing to ask, would it not be in Monte's benefit to have Adams approval and backing on this which would then bring in much more money. We would all buy the albums and support them and also Monte in his personal recordings. All this could be a very negative for Monte in his future as most of his fans are Glamberts. I would think RCA would want the recordings to so they could put them out when the time is right. People aren't always irrational. People don't always think about long-term consequences. Oddly enough, I am dealing with those sorts of failures right now in my professional life. A vendor made a decision about one order fulfillment that will cause me to live a nightmare for quite some time (which the vendor knew). I will now be pulling all of my business. The vendor made this decision in order to make, let's say, an additional $10K of money on one day and sell to a company with a product of personal interest to him. Because he's essentially screwing me over, I'm using the "out" clause in my contracts to pull all of my orders with him -- a result that his aide warned him was going to happen. He blithely ignored the warnings to make a small amount of money right now and so he's going to lose more than $1 mill of money over time. Believe me, that's not chump change to this vendor. Absolutely crazy, but he's doing it because all he's seeing is a bigger profit right now (and the "fun" of being involved with a personal interest). He's not seeing that breaching trust is never a good long -term strategy. Obviously, none of us know what's happening behind the scenes, but it's never wise to underestimate the causal factor of stupidity in decision-making. |
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Post by Buderschnookie on Oct 8, 2011 9:27:51 GMT -5
Plus Neil's tweet. Much of it stems from Lisa's calling Adam "Your Majesty"- I know it annoyed me terribly. What's the date for the Lisa P tweets? I'd like to look at them again and can't find them on her twitter account. Was it closed? |
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