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Post by rihannsu on Oct 8, 2011 11:02:39 GMT -5
Were people throwing money at Monte's kickstarter before or after Lisa's rant? Monte's kickstarter was funded and finalized on 3/9/2011. The Lisa rant occurred a couple of weeks prior to the Moscow gig.
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Post by rad1109 on Oct 8, 2011 11:03:05 GMT -5
[wry grin] If the rest of the site is misleading lies, why should that part be any different? According to what's implied there, Adam is providing lyric hints on Twitter for the Beg For Mercy album!! : >:( >:( >:( >:( I went back and looked at the site and it clearly says that it is lyrics for his upcoming album in 2012. I understand fans and Adam are very frustrated about this but I don't see any misrepresentation on the site. Yes it is using his name, but yes he did co-write and perform those songs and the twitter references are public domain, etc. Yes Adam handlers should and imagine will check this out but I just don't interpret the site the way many here are. The are working it yes, but... Ok, I see the stones coming at me now... Ducking for cover. Sure would be much easier if Adam would just get in front of this and let it be known these are pre-works and be proud of what he has done in his past instead of trying to hide it. And what if one of the songs from this album which is being promoted even without his approval has a hit that reaches radio or something. How would that hurt Adam. Yes in the it's not in my control aspect it would be odd, but there was a time when Adam and Monte wanted and dreamed of those songs making it to the public. Well, now they are for the good or bad... Don't think it's not being 'proud' but it muddies up the brand he is trying to establish. And the brand is a very real thing. These do not represent him currently at all....the production has sucked (we'll see). He is still new trying to establish himself and he does not need dated rock nor dated pop. His label would not be thrilled either. Plus does he really want to explain this shit in interviews for a year??
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Post by nica575 on Oct 8, 2011 11:04:37 GMT -5
Wow - more welcomes. Thank you! Re: writing credit - yes. The songs on BFM are registered with ASCAP as written by Adam and Monte You can find most things by searching for one artist name or the other (sometimes last name first) by going to www.ascap.com/ace/ There is NO WAY they won't get compensated if they are listed as the writers- so that is at least good news. There are two types of rights though the song or composition and the recording (think of it like the tears for fears guy makes money every time someone plays Adam's version of Mad World and he even gets a small royalty called a mechanical every time someone buys the album or single) who owns the recordings, also called masters? This I don't know but frankly in the modern music business owning the publishing is much more valuable since people don't buy as much music as they used to. Re: SlappyMcJellyPants - this had to do with a night where too many drinks were served... I think I'd better know you all better before telling the story. Another update - feel free to spam them if you wish- it seems like whoever is behind BFM started a twitter profile - @begformercyadam . Ironically the people who are flaming this profile and having fits are doing the same thing the ultra religious did for Marilyn Manson - Getting him attention! slappymcjellypants , Happy to see a male reinforcement here! Now, would it be possible for you to share your "Adam discovery" story?
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Post by cookie on Oct 8, 2011 11:06:45 GMT -5
Were people throwing money at Monte's kickstarter before or after Lisa's rant? I don't have the exact dates off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure the kickstarter thing was before the rant.
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Post by adamrocks on Oct 8, 2011 11:07:14 GMT -5
Slappymcjellypants!![/size] That is a very interesting name you have there! ;D
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 8, 2011 11:09:16 GMT -5
4) A quite reliable fan account on the fan talking with Monte about the release before it got out the open, proving that Monte knew about it (though it's not sure if it was the Beg For Mercy of the Other Bastard they were talking about) The fan who talked with Monte said they discussed Beg For Mercy. What she said to me on Twitter was that Monte told her the following: He has no control over the person releasing the CD; that Monte and Adam both make money if it sells but Adam can't address it because of RCA; that the guys putting it out "helped them when they needed help" and they want to get some of their money back. She told me all this on 10/6 and said her conversation with Monte occurred the past weekend. If that is the case, the reasoning behind the album is legit, but does not change the sliminess of the advertising/release timing.
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 8, 2011 11:09:42 GMT -5
Ok, I see the stones coming at me now... Ducking for cover. Sure would be much easier if Adam would just get in front of this and let it be known these are pre-works and be proud of what he has done in his past instead of trying to hide it. And what if one of the songs from this album which is being promoted even without his approval has a hit that reaches radio or something. How would that hurt Adam. Yes in the it's not in my control aspect it would be odd, but there was a time when Adam and Monte wanted and dreamed of those songs making it to the public. Well, now they are for the good or bad... Adam doesn't want these songs out there to confuse the casual fans or non-fans. Adam IS pissed about the release of this CD. This release is AGAINST Adam's wishes at this time. That alone is enough for me!! A song off this CD has no chance of becoming even the smallest hit. Singles that make it to the radio need major label support. There is no way this guy has the money it takes to get any type of radio support.
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Post by rad1109 on Oct 8, 2011 11:12:10 GMT -5
Wow - more welcomes. Thank you! Re: writing credit - yes. The songs on BFM are registered with ASCAP as written by Adam and Monte You can find most things by searching for one artist name or the other (sometimes last name first) by going to www.ascap.com/ace/ There is NO WAY they won't get compensated if they are listed as the writers- so that is at least good news. There are two types of rights though the song or composition and the recording (think of it like the tears for fears guy makes money every time someone plays Adam's version of Mad World and he even gets a small royalty called a mechanical every time someone buys the album or single) who owns the recordings, also called masters? This I don't know but frankly in the modern music business owning the publishing is much more valuable since people don't buy as much music as they used to. Re: SlappyMcJellyPants - this had to do with a night where too many drinks were served... I think I'd better know you all better before telling the story. Another update - feel free to spam them if you wish- it seems like whoever is behind BFM started a twitter profile - @begformercyadam . Ironically the people who are flaming this profile and having fits are doing the same thing the ultra religious did for Marilyn Manson - Getting him attention! Wow...a new joiner...a previous ~lurker??? A rock fan that likes pop perhaps...
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Post by adamfanem on Oct 8, 2011 11:12:09 GMT -5
First off, let me clearly state that I think this whole CV Take One, Two, Three promotion is highly unethical and wrong in every way. If there is a way to block the release I hope Adam's lawyers find it quickly. I agree with not giving the scumbags any hits or promo. I agree with pulling their finger and toe nails out very slowly and painfully, as a matter of fact. Having said that, I don't see that this will hurt Adam in the long run. (Except maybe personally.) I highly doubt that the "single" will get radio play. It certainly isn't mainstream pop, and it is dated. But, if it does get picked up and played, it is still better than much of the junk on radio today. Adam has nothing to be ashamed of in that recording.
The bastard web site does identify it as Adam's early work. If it gets publicity, that will be part of it as well. The public will understand that it is no more reflective of Adam's current work than his recording of "Is Anybody Listening." If they like it, great. If they don't, they can still go crazy for what Adam is creating now and comment on how he has grown and developed. Heck, they might even realize that Adam was not an "overnight" product of American Idol.
Musicians, painters, and authors have had early work published and released without their approval for hundreds of years. I am sure many of them were unhappy and felt it was not a good representation of them as artists. But, put in perspective, these early works give a more complete picture of the artist, and have not damaged their reputation for their later work.
Yes, it is irritating as hell. It is sleazy. It is upsetting. We should support Adam by not giving these vultures and bottom feeders any money. But, ultimately, when Adam's real single and album come out, I believe he will blow people away, and this bastard album will just be a blip, ultimately brushed aside. It will not sidetrack or derail the Adam momentum and rise to super stardom.
That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it. If nothing else, it feels better than angsting over something I cannot control. THIS
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Post by spring2009 on Oct 8, 2011 11:12:34 GMT -5
Were people throwing money at Monte's kickstarter before or after Lisa's rant? Monte's kickstarter was funded and finalized on 3/9/2011. The Lisa rant occurred a couple of weeks prior to the Moscow gig. I wonder if anyone was sorry they had contributed? I would have been if it crossed my mind to donate in the first place. That rant turned me completely off.
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