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Post by stardust on Oct 8, 2011 12:57:23 GMT -5
Q3, I have a question. If Adam's team stopped the CV songs from being Take Two how can they try it again? Wouldn't whatever settlement was made have stopped it permanently? Unless someone gave permission to use the material, and we know it wasn't Adam.. |
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Post by reihmer on Oct 8, 2011 12:58:42 GMT -5
How about something cute to entertain y'all.  |
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Oct 8, 2011 13:03:11 GMT -5
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Post by stardust on Oct 8, 2011 13:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 8, 2011 13:05:14 GMT -5
What's up with Monte sending threatning DMs to some Adam fans? >:( >:( >:( This situation is getting more and more suspicious....... 
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Post by SusieFierce on Oct 8, 2011 13:05:42 GMT -5
So if Monte can't stop it and it benefits him the only negative is the shit it causes him with Adam's fans. He probably figures that defending himself on twitter is useless because people are going to believe what they want no matter what he says. Monte apparently feels loyalty towards Welsford and since we really don't know the background of that relationship who are we to judge. Adam quite obviously has a completely different point of view in that even though he will get songwriting royalties this does cause him some problems. Also Adam's relationship with Citizen Vein was through Monte so it always sounded to me like he really didn't have much of a connection to anyone else involved. His loyalty would only have been to Monte. Now going back to the Lisa rant and such, if Monte and Adam have a difference of opinion about these things even though they publicly patched things up and Monte has performed with Adam professionally twice since then, it is quite possible that their personal relationship is no longer as tight. The only arguement against that is that Adam DID tweet the link for Monte's new album along with saying he was proud of him. Monte's position may be one of simply trying not to burn any bridges within the very incestuous music community because taking sides in this issue could cause him problems over the long run. If he is focusing more on not damaging his industry connections then I don't blame him because with 4 kids he can't really afford to piss off the musicians that he works with. Adam is in an entirely different position and really has no need to maintain contacts in the circles that Monte runs in for the most part. The whole thing saddens me because I think it is a case of the typical music business bullshit of artists getting screwed over every which way. I want to quote these again because there are some really good points. The music business is and has always been cut throat. Lots of people are losing out including the UK remixer and yes even Monte. Here we have a Citizen Vein album put out and Monte is getting zilch credit. He's the one who had the vision, who searched out the talent, who set up the gigs, who had the contacts for the inexpensive recording. I'm not a Monte follower but based on his putting together Citizen Vein and his latest album I don't think that he wants to be known as a session guitarist, he wants to be a little more central to the core of the music put out. It must be as galling for him to have this put out as an Adam album as it is for Adam. Both of them would probably have preferred to have it put out as Citizen Vein or double billed as Monte/Album. Sorry, but if Monte was being blindsided and screwed as much as Adam why wouldn't he immediately publicly denounce? From where If he had nothing at all to do with the whole thing, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by extricating himself from the whole situation. I'm not saying he is or isn't involved, but keeping quiet if he has absolutely nothing to hide is a little confusing, IMO. And the ASCAP screencaps at the beginning of the thread prove that he is getting credit, as is Adam, but the question lies in did either of them sanction this release? Adam stated very clearly in his tweet that he did not. adamlambert Adam Lambert Beg For Mercy project is same as 'Take One'. some songs I worked on 5 yrs ago and never finished. This release comes as a surprise to me... Not that difficult, really. |
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Post by slappymcjellypants on Oct 8, 2011 13:09:29 GMT -5
slappymcjellypants , Happy to see a male reinforcement here!  Now, would it be possible for you to share your "Adam discovery" story? Yeah....could you share with us how you became an Adam fan? We love hearing how newbies here found Adam!  Really? I mean... I'm an older straight guy - so I'm a bit closeted about my fandom in real life. I'd probably look really weird and creepy at a Lambert show but... I've followed on Twitter and have a google news alert set up. True story - I lost a bet with my niece and she (knowing that I really didn't like anything on idol and wouldn't give any of their contestants a chance) played me the whole record. When she could stop gloating and teasing me over what she played (I finally told her to shut up) I found that I actually thought the record was really well written and produced and ultimately I admitted that Adam's just got a great voice. This was about a year ago. |
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Post by slappymcjellypants on Oct 8, 2011 13:10:11 GMT -5
Love this! How about something cute to entertain y'all. |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 8, 2011 13:10:11 GMT -5
Just a couple of clarifications to the above post: - #4 --- Monte was NOT referring to Beg for Mercy which is a remix of Take One. Monte, the other bandmembers, and Adam made no royalties from Take One. They will get nothing from Beg for Mercy.Monte has publicly supported the release of the old Citizen Vein recordings for over 2 years. This is not a secret or new. - #6 --- There have been two previous attempts to release the Citizen Vein recordings of the songs that were written or cowritten by Adam an Monte. The first was the original Take One -- which ended up being reworked to just be the old demos with Adam as a session singer. The second was an album called Take Two that was never released. I am certain that Adam's lawyers are once again at work and there is a good chance these will not be released once again. I'm confused, based on take Beg for Mercy site with the streaming clips, those seem to be Citizen Vein songs, NOT Take 1 songs (the Take 1 songs are the one bundled with Steve Cooke's on the Paramount Sessions). -Beg for Mercy -Just the Way it Is -Rough Trade -Runaway -The Circle -Turning On are the songs being streamed. No you are right and I posted incorrectly. I will correct my post. There are two unauthorized Adam albums in the works for release this fall -- BFM and a remix of Take One. |
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Post by slappymcjellypants on Oct 8, 2011 13:12:24 GMT -5
Wow - more welcomes. Thank you! Re: writing credit - yes. The songs on BFM are registered with ASCAP as written by Adam and Monte You can find most things by searching for one artist name or the other (sometimes last name first) by going to www.ascap.com/ace/ There is NO WAY they won't get compensated if they are listed as the writers- so that is at least good news. There are two types of rights though the song or composition and the recording (think of it like the tears for fears guy makes money every time someone plays Adam's version of Mad World and he even gets a small royalty called a mechanical every time someone buys the album or single) who owns the recordings, also called masters? This I don't know but frankly in the modern music business owning the publishing is much more valuable since people don't buy as much music as they used to. Another update - feel free to spam them if you wish- it seems like whoever is behind BFM started a twitter profile - @begformercyadam . Ironically the people who are flaming this profile and having fits are doing the same thing the ultra religious did for Marilyn Manson - Getting him attention! How do you know, that there is NO WAY Adam will not be compensatee? Maybe the reason the sogs are out is, that he doesn' t own the rights to those songs anymore? That would explain, why he wasn't able to stop them from being published. And if that is the case, he will not be receiving any money, either. As far as I understand... IMO, ofcourse  And the best thing for the new Twitter site would be, to get it publicity. So IMHO opinion, it should be ignored, as well. Sorry, I'm pissed... 8-) That's just the way performance royalties work. Music business finance is very complicated but when someone writes a song, registers the copyright and has it aligned with their performance royalties organization it can't really be stolen from them...they could have sold those rights but in this situation we just don't know what happened. |
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