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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 10, 2011 1:48:17 GMT -5
I just don't want to come to ADAMTOPIA and feel I have to defend Adam.  Oh bb.... Nobody is here that doesn't love Adam. However, just because Adam is mad doesn't automatically make everyone else wrong. The timing and the advertising of this Take#2/Beg for Mercy/whatever album is sleazy. However, the creation of it was not. Adam doesn't like the music based on what he's trying to create now. But it doesn't mean the music is bad. And, from what I've heard, it really isn't. AT THE TIME, it was Adam's vision too. [shrugs, then laughs] We all have different opinions. But we're all here for a reason. We all love Adam and his music. But we're all going to express that in different ways and actions. Please don't be sad.  |
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Post by lynne on Oct 10, 2011 1:56:40 GMT -5
Hoppers
Yours is a voice of compassion and reason. <3
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 10, 2011 1:58:53 GMT -5
Tigerlily - with all due respect, I disagree. I think the view you present is overly simplistic. You are under no obligation to agree with mine. [shrugs] ETA: Gah, lynne, you gonna take that back now? Going to bed...Attempt #432. 
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 10, 2011 2:03:05 GMT -5
Tigerlily - with all due respect, I disagree. I think the view you present is overly simplistic. You are under no obligation to agree with mine. [shrugs] That's fine, and I believe the view you present is rather naive and it doesn't give Adam enough credit for the 20 years of work he did to get to where he is today. You don't have to agree with my opinion, either. (shrugs and laughs) ;D ETA: I know that Adam's success didn't happen in a vacuum, but I also don't believe he owes ALL the people along the way anything. (other than telling them "Thank You") Should he pay back his voice teacher by allowing her to profit on some recordings of vocal performances throughout the years. What about all his directors over the years? Teachers? The list goes on... Adam is a pretty great guy though, as he tries to repay as many friends as possible by tweeting links to their albums, etc. (which he did for Monte) Adam tries to hire them for tours (which he did for Monte) or picture shoots or he wears the clothes or jewelry they make. Adam's fans buy laptops for his band members, pianos for relatives, or give hundreds of thousands of dollars to help these musicians start their own projects. (which they did for Monte) Adam's fans show up at tiny venues and support the independant music from the band members. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 10, 2011 2:06:45 GMT -5
You don't have to agree with my opinion, either. (shrugs and laughs) ;D ;D  Oh bb - Adam has obviously worked his BUNS off [and very nice ones they are too  ], but it just didn't happen in a vacuum. We agree to disagree. Ok?  |
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Post by cassie on Oct 10, 2011 2:09:08 GMT -5
Tigerlily - with all due respect, I disagree. I think the view you present is overly simplistic. You are under no obligation to agree with mine. [shrugs] That's fine, and I believe the view you present is rather naive and it doesn't give Adam enough credit for the 20 years of work he did to get to where he is today. You don't have to agree with my opinion, either. (shrugs and laughs) ;D And I think................ oh, hell, doesn't matter. We all agree on the important points: that we love Adam and want what he wants, and that he has worked tremendously hard to be where he is today. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Oct 10, 2011 2:14:47 GMT -5
[gently] Tigerlily - what does any of that have to do with Citizen Vein? And yes, Monte has many other projects, none other which have to do with Adam. Adam wasn't anything more than a chorus boy when Monte asked him to sing with him. Monte was giving Adam a break at that time, not the other way around. Lulu - Monte has said in interviews that he and Adam were collaborating together for Adam #2 and that he [Monte] was excited about it. As for the Lisa twitter stuff, I saw a copy of it recently and I was watching the night it happened. However, if you're sure I've forgotten something, please feel free to PM me your link. Sorry Hoppers, but WHAT?? Monte was giving Adam a break? Adam had a major role in Zodiac (bigger than Monte's), the CV did three tiny gigs! Monte did not make him a stah. Adam wrote half the CV songs, plus his other more poppier stuff like K&T and PGTC. Adam went on AI after many people suggested it. Only Monte ever said he was one of them, Adam never did. So, sure, they were colleagues, but that collab did not result in a "break" for Adam. Adam did it w his talent, creativity and fortitude on AI and since. CV was a step in his evolution, and Monte was a collaborator, but so were Carmit and Lee and everyone else to do w Zodiac, which had a much bigger audience than the CV ever did. ETA: after writing this, saw further discussion, and sorry, I cannot disagree with you harder right now, Hoppers. I 100% agree with Tigerlily on this one. It's not even a little bit close. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 10, 2011 2:21:54 GMT -5
[laughs] I'm outta of the boxing ring for the rest of the night susie! Bring it up later, and I'll give ya my reasoning. In the meantime, its bedtime #433. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Oct 10, 2011 2:23:03 GMT -5
SERIOUSLY UNPOPULAR OPINION FORTHCOMING* Monte LOVED these songs. He was proud of them. He wanted them released but no label deal was forthcoming. * Monte and Adam tried collaborating again on Adam's new album. It didn't work. Monte was shut out. Fans then go after his wife who [admittedly stupidly] vented her frustration about her husband's frustration on Twitter. * Malcolm W. (who Monte thought was a friend), decided to finally release the Citizen Vein songs. However, NOT as "Citizen Vein" songs which would have given Adam and Monte equal footing. Instead, they are touted purely as Adam Lambert songs. * A sizable proportion of Adam's fans blast Monte on Twitter and he gets angry, defensive, hurt, and more angry. Hoppers I agree with most of your points and timeline, but I think a few are still conjecture, though plausible. We don't know how he feels about releasing the Citizen Vein songs at this time as he hasn't said (and has written two independent albums of his own since then), and may choose not to for diplomacy reasons. We don't know what Lisa was specifically mad about that prompted that gate. We don't know what discussions, expectations, attempts or songwriting sessions with Adam did happen. The Japanese interview was a clue that there seemed to be different expectations at one point, but it in itself was confusing. We don't know what Monte thinks about Malcolm W. (unless there was more than his name in the liner notes?) if he is a friend or just a business collegue who had played an important role. Or if and when Monte had knowledge of this release. Also, I'm not sure a "sizable proportion of Adam fans" were blasting him on twitter. A few trolls were for sure, and that's enough to irritate anyone and make them feel defensive. Some fans were asking him questions. He was also getting a whole lot of love and support. Aside from the DM to Lulu which was confusing and did seem like he was mad, we don't know what he thinks or feels right now. Maybe fans who saw him at his show in person last night have a better idea. Most of these things we'll never know. |
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Post by gelly14 on Oct 10, 2011 2:47:34 GMT -5
[gently] Tigerlily - what does any of that have to do with Citizen Vein? And yes, Monte has many other projects, none other which have to do with Adam. Adam wasn't anything more than a chorus boy when Monte asked him to sing with him. Monte was giving Adam a break at that time, not the other way around. Lulu - Monte has said in interviews that he and Adam were collaborating together for Adam #2 and that he [Monte] was excited about it. As for the Lisa twitter stuff, I saw a copy of it recently and I was watching the night it happened. However, if you're sure I've forgotten something, please feel free to PM me your link. Sorry Hoppers, but WHAT?? Monte was giving Adam a break? Adam had a major role in Zodiac (bigger than Monte's), the CV did three tiny gigs! Monte did not make him a stah. Adam wrote half the CV songs, plus his other more poppier stuff like K&T and PGTC. Adam went on AI after many people suggested it. Only Monte ever said he was one of them, Adam never did. So, sure, they were colleagues, but that collab did not result in a "break" for Adam. Adam did it w his talent, creativity and fortitude on AI and since. CV was a step in his evolution, and Monte was a collaborator, but so were Carmit and Lee and everyone else to do w Zodiac, which had a much bigger audience than the CV ever did. ETA: after writing this, saw further discussion, and sorry, I cannot disagree with you harder right now, Hoppers. I 100% agree with Tigerlily on this one. It's not even a little bit close. Just to add that I'm 100% to what SusieFierce and Tigerlily said. MY thoughts exactly.Couldn't have said better. In fact I think that Adam did Monte a favour to accept his offer about being the lead singer. |
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