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Post by whatfun on Oct 14, 2011 17:47:04 GMT -5
Who knows if this is true, but.... mickivick @lulu2365 @noangelpf @indybeck71 kms15423 I have heard thru the grapevine, the Canada gig was the last time they would be working together. about 1 hour ago in reply to Lulu2365 mickivick @noangelpf yep - from sources that would know. @indybeck71 @lulu2365 kms1542342 minutes ago in reply to NoAngelPF As much as I would not mind this at all, I hate to get my hopes up. Adam is a forgiving sort, he's let things go where I would have stuffed and mounted my grudge to keep it going. Although I'm not sure why it matters to me at all, it's not like I actually even see anyone else onstage when Adam is performing, he is absolutely riveting to me. OMG I can't wait for the next tour! |
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Post by Holst on Oct 14, 2011 17:47:08 GMT -5
I just think it's rather interesting that Tommy had been playing gigs with Monte but apparently last night @the Whisky A Go Go Monte had a bass player by the name of Max Whipple. I would think that Tommy would have been available ... I wonder I don't think I could even venture a guess since I don't know anything about Tommy's schedule. He must be earning a living somehow. I have turned down many gigs because of schedule conflicts. Happens all the time. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Oct 14, 2011 17:49:18 GMT -5
Four other bands played at the same venue as Monte's record release last night. One was Liz Anne's and her band's spot was before Monte's by some time (he was 2 or three spots later IIRC). Tweets between Liz and Tommy last night were cute, it looked like Tommy bought her flowers.
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With regard to Adam's tweets, here's how I parse the sentences and why I think it's pretty clear that he is referring to Take One as a general example, not a song list: In order with my comments in blue:
@adamlambert Adam Lambert
Beg For Mercy project is same as 'Take One'. some songs I worked on 5 yrs ago and never finished. This release comes as a surprise to me...
6 Oct
The songs he worked on 5 yrs ago and never finished were Citizen Vein songs, the Dublyn Jones Take One songs were just demos, he never intended to finish them.
Therefore he is talking about the Citizen Vein/Beg for M. songs and using Take One as a general example, as many fans are familiar with it.
@adamlambert Adam Lambert
It is NOT what I'm currently working on, nor does it reflect my artistic vision. Some folks will do anything to make a buck. Fuck.
6 Oct Favorite Retweet Reply
@adamlambert Adam Lambert
@zombiewriter_ the paramount sessions is the same situation. I don't even know who steve Cooke is.
6 Oct
He is addressing the Param. sessions as a separate project then the one he was previously talking about. Therefore he really was previously talking about Beg for M. as he said he was.
@adamlambert Adam Lambert
I think both projects were mastermind (but I mind) by Malcolm Welsford.
6 Oct
Again he references two projects, but he feels the same about both.
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Post by smokeyvera on Oct 14, 2011 17:51:31 GMT -5
Wat? RT @illuxxia: ...and now the album/website has it's own YT channel. Oh Fuck.
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Post by SusieFierce on Oct 14, 2011 17:52:12 GMT -5
A few thoughts:
• Yes, it's true, Tommy has NOT played with Monte since May (ironically around the time of Lisa's Twitter rant) and the change was abrupt. I had some friends who had been going to Monte's shows (but really made the drive because they liked Tommy) and suddenly, Tommy wasn't there. When they asked someone, they were treated very rudely for asking.
ETA: Clarification: They like Monte very much too; I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
• Everyone says, "Blame this on Welsford!!" Well, y'know, I DON'T. I'll tell you why: Because opportunist rat-bastard predatory producers are going to be opportunist rat-bastard predatory producers. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. It's like blaming a snake for being a snake. That's who/what they are. As much as it pains me to admit, he owes Adam nothing.
• SOMEONE in this equation was supposedly a friend and they are capitalizing on the underhandedness of said ORBPP. The person in question DOES owe Adam something – common sense respect and loyalty. That's why you don't endorse a product that you know is going to hurt someone – anyone, a loyal friend most especially.
• I do think Adam will be able to spin this back to his advantage (he's a master at that).
• Another thing about ORBPPs, they usually KNOW what are within their legal rights, so I'm afraid there is very little legal recourse for Adam at this point and why it worries me and pains me to no end.
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Post by marie23 on Oct 14, 2011 17:53:18 GMT -5
Could it be that he did not realize that and was less frustrated with the BFM stuff? He did disapprove of both projects but just wondering how this error factors in anything....Don't go all pounding on me....just asking a question as it is really not abundantly clear and feeds into all the Monte bashing....no not defending anything there either...heaven forbid....I am just asking the question.
My first thought, when I read the tweet was.... he did not know the difference between the releases. That got the firestorm going on...everyone's "points of view". His.... fuck...for the buck came out in people's arguments as if this release was not legitimate. It seems one of these albums may be legit, if they signed away their rights. PERIOD. If not legal lawyers will figure this out. Still a bummer that the timing is reprehensible. Yes this. I think there is/was some confusion. I think that Adam said that he thinks that they both are the same thing. He didn't even know that they were going to be released, so I don't think at the time he knew exactly what was what, or what was going on when he first said that. |
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Post by NoAngel on Oct 14, 2011 17:54:56 GMT -5
Who knows if this is true, but.... mickivick @lulu2365 @noangelpf @indybeck71 kms15423 I have heard thru the grapevine, the Canada gig was the last time they would be working together. about 1 hour ago in reply to Lulu2365 mickivick @noangelpf yep - from sources that would know. @indybeck71 @lulu2365 kms1542342 minutes ago in reply to NoAngelPF Just to clarify, since my name is attached to these, that I don't follow this person and have no idea what her "sources" are. She tweeted this to me at random. |
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Post by maria222pf on Oct 14, 2011 17:59:18 GMT -5
It is his name. It reflects on him. He is the one who empowered his webmaster to handle official tweets so their veracity is ON HIM. The buck stops with Monte. THIS!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yup. That's why I hope we don't have to see him on the next tour - Adam might be a highly evolved, forgiving human being but I think it would (will) take me a while to get over this kind of disloyalty from a friend. ??? |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 14, 2011 18:00:31 GMT -5
Just a couple -- OK three thoughts.....
On the subject of Welsford having enough masters to make more albums -- I think there is some confusion about this -- there are 29 demos but only about 12 were recorded at Paramount Studios and produced. I do not believe that Welsford owns the CV demos and I am not sure who does but they would typically be owned by the songwriters -- in this case Adam and Monte. People keep posting that he has more music and he might, but unless someone has a source for this info, lets not bother worrying about it.
On credibility and the old music For over two years people have been writing things about how Adam was not a real musician like ___________ because he was just doing musical theater and didn't have a band/put out an indie album like ____________. There is no need for me to copy this crap form other forums and comments on album reviews and bring it here. For better or worse, the existance of these CV recordings eliminates that ridiculous way of trying to marginalize Adam. In addition, it makes the storyline "struggling chorus boy decides to play a new role, "rock star" moot. Whether you like this music or not, it exists and its existance prove that Adam was trying to be a recording artist from 2005 to 2008 -- over 3-1/2 years -- all before he auditioned for Idol. We'll see how it all plays out in the long run, but my money is that it just fades into the background and becomes part of his bio when his new music hits.
Maybe everyone is worried over something that does not matter - Beg For Mercy Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,100 in Music. Take One was much much higher than this at this point. The good news is that people do not appear to be racing to order this album. The bad news is that people do not appear to be racing to order this album. My strong recommendation is that if fans want to do something for Adam, save your energy to help promote his new music. Do not let these toads distract us from what is really important.
Since The Paramount Sessions are the #1 item being ordered with BFM looks like the buyers are Adam fans who want a complete collection of everything Adam to me.
BTW The Paramount Sessions are not selling either and are Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #3,152 in Music right now.
Finally, I am still wondering if BFM will actually get released. Since BFM has almost no pre-orders, it will not be promoted by the artist, and the single will not get airplay, even if it gets released, it may not be a big deal. One big sign that it may go mostly unnoticed is that there is no press coverage --- there are 4 news articles about BFM in the past week -- 2 in English both from Flecking Records. When Take One was released, there were hundreds of press references to it being Adam's debut album -- because the UK press got it all tangled up and the bastards used those press blurbs to feed to reporters. That is not happening this time.
ETA: Adam may have some legal recourse with BFM because of the way it is packaged and being promoted -- he might be able to file a federal (FTC) False Advertising Claim, he can certainly stop it in several states and a few other countries if he wants to stop it from being sold as an "Adam Lambert" album.
It is a strategic decision whether to even bother with these kinds of releases. Most artists and record labels do not waste the effort or money. There are literally thousands of similar albums by major artists and thousands more of illegal/bootleg albums and DVDs/videos of concerts. They are almost all low-selling fan treasures. A few bands like Green Day and Greatful Dead embrassed this releases and use them as part of their fanbase building effort.
I just do not see BFM as the biggest challenge to Adam's success. His biggest challenge is the gap between projects will make promotion and radio support essential. He will need all of his energy and fan support for that battle, not this little skirmish. JMHO and I am sure some will disagree with me.
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Post by whatfun on Oct 14, 2011 18:00:51 GMT -5
That was similar to my take on it.
My first thought, when I read the tweet was.... he did not know the difference between the releases. That got the firestorm going on...everyone's "points of view". His.... fuck...for the buck came out in people's arguments as if this release was not legitimate. It seems one of these albums may be legit, if they signed away their rights. PERIOD. If not legal lawyers will figure this out. Still a bummer that the timing is reprehensible. Yes this. I think there is/was some confusion. I think that Adam said that he thinks that they both are the same thing. He didn't even know that they were going to be released, so I don't think at the time he knew exactly what was what, or what was going on when he first said that. I don't know about that, though. From his series of tweets, Adam clearly knew they were two different projects. I think rabbitrabbit's post is a pretty accurate assessment. I think it's a mistake to assume that the fact that the Citizen Vein songs are co writes actually changes his opinion on whether or not he's okay with them being released. In a way, the CV songs are worse. The session tracks he can completely disavow. But the CV tracks are work he considers unfinished, and judging by the production on downloads of the preview clips, not up his standard at all. But still his name will be attached to them in an even stickier way. |
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