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Post by crazyoldgal on Mar 7, 2012 12:15:34 GMT -5
Can anyone make an guess regarding sales #'s... We know he sold at least 69,000. Since he has reached the 400's position in Itunes...
Does anyone know what each level usual equates to in sales #'s?????????? ea. 900 level might mean 1,000 singles, 800 level = 5,000 singles, 700 level = 15,000 etc etc.
Hoping for at least 100,000 single sales so far.
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Post by bullsfan on Mar 7, 2012 12:22:47 GMT -5
BTIKM is probably very close to 100K at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 12:30:41 GMT -5
Can anyone make an guess regarding sales #'s... We know he sold at least 69,000. Since he has reached the 400's position in Itunes... Does anyone know what each level usual equates to in sales #'s?????????? ea. 900 level might mean 1,000 singles, 800 level = 5,000 singles, 700 level = 15,000 etc etc. Hoping for at least 100,000 single sales so far. I think your estimates are way too high. Because Brian Mansfield has someone in Country that leaks the sales #s to him, here are some i-Tunes numbers to compare. Carrie's Undo It is at #668 and sold 5,000 last week. Her Cowboy Casanova is at #446 sold 6,000. So, since Adam has been moving up and down between the 600s and the mid 300s for a few weeks, I would say he might be selling about 6- 7,000 a week the past 2 weeks and before that around 2-4000 a week. When he was out of the Top 1000, maybe less than 1,000? |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 7, 2012 13:01:20 GMT -5
It's not dead, but it really looks as if a majority of the Pop stations are just not interested. There really isn't any reason to spend any more time on this single, except for Adam has to have something to promote during this promo work. At the end of these couple of weeks, I'm hoping they move on to a song more suited for Pop radio airplay, but I'm not counting on RCA to do anything smart. >:( I'm betting they will ride this out until it peaks on HAC and heads way down the chart, which could easily be a month or more from now. If they were going to do that, there'd be no reason for them to delay the album. I think we will see a new single before the album release, regardless of how BTIKM is doing. ETA: I think 2 singles was always the plan. They just expected BTIKM to move faster. But, any radio follower knows HAC IS SO SLOW!!!!!!!!!! I don't think so. The large majority of songs take more than 2 months to peak on any type of radio format. No one would expect to put out two songs in two and a half months. (unless you are Rihanna and you can send out one right after the other) I could see RCA thinking that a new single around the time of album release would be "a great idea". They will think one will push the other. I think they have overestimated the size of Adam's fanbase and have confused the fact that popularity in the media does not mean he has established himself on radio yet. |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 7, 2012 13:13:37 GMT -5
I don't think this is going to happen without CHR support. The thing is if CHR would play it it would do really well. It is a great song that I think would fit very well with current Top 40. I really don't understand it because it is a high quality song. At least we know for sure that the next single will an upbeat dance tune and I think a lot of this current promo will help with that. I think someone else touched on the possibility of the #2 single release not being a hit since WWFM , a slow tempo'd song was a hit, his follou- up IIHY did not do nearly as well. We know a fast tempo song will be release, there are no guarantees a fast song will be accepted. What makes Adam so different is his fabulous voice. Fabulous voices don't make hits. Ok what am I trying to explain. SOmetimes I think Adam puts too much voice into his song. On radio, look what is selling other than Adele? Britney . or even Justin TImberlake....its a great beat song. HEavens sake, look at the rapping shit that is out there. SO I hope his next song, which we assume is dancey, dancey will be more beats and forget about thoughtful words, just repetitive dance, dance, dance. because I want a HUGH HIT for him. OK I'm just over thinking this single.. BTIKM is a typical HAC/mid-tempo pop song. It isn't really a complicated song or too much voice on Adam's part. You are right, that a good voice does not mean a hit. Kelly Clarkson is at the top right now along with Adele. Kelly also puts plenty of her voice into her songs! A song just needs to be good and catch the listeners ear with SOMETHING! Dance, dance, dance doesn't always get it either. The next single simply needs to be a really good radio song with a great hook and perfect for Pop radio. Unless BTIKM picks up in a miraculous way on Pop, it will have an almost impossible task of reaching gold. |
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Post by Jablea on Mar 7, 2012 13:49:18 GMT -5
Here's BTIKM average Itunes rank for the weeks,
ending Avg
1/22/2012 732
1/29/2012 925
2/5/2012 551
2/12/2012 587
2/19/2012 840
2/26/2012 799
3/4/2012 603
For me, the problem with the song is all production. I've heard it played immediately after Adele, after Kelly (my son loves Stronger), after Snow Patrol for gosh sakes and BTIKM is a pale pale song in comparison. Listen to it on your laptop without the earphones. I'm telling you it's like fingernails on a chalkboard when I listen in my car to the radio. You can't hear Adam's voice, you can't hear the backup vocals, there is no richness to his voice, the vocal volume is down, all you hear is that damn scratch scratch scratch over the top of it. I love it with headphones on, I love watching the video. I swear it's climbing HAC because of our sheer doggedness. Of course thousands of other songs have become hits that I couldn't stand on the radio either but 4me4you the radio speakers don't do BTIKM any favors and they need to do a radio edit that takes out the production or at least puts it in the background.
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Post by melliemom on Mar 7, 2012 13:55:46 GMT -5
BTIKM has faced a comedy of errors type of thing..Management at RCA changed and then there was a consolidation with other off shoots of the company. There is a New head of RCA ,I believe. The president before him loved Adam from what I Have read. Then the infamous lawsuit over Adam's old work.BTIKM thrown out to the public without any real money or publicity behind it.
Then Whitney's death and all her old music selling like crazy.Seems to me that Adam is his own PR person,label, sales person etc. I think RCA put little money into the selling of BTIKM.They seem totally conservative and the artist, IMHO has to get out there,as Adam has done and make it happen.
I mean we listened to songs from For Your Entertainment for years .. we were desperate for new music from Adam and still are.
Adam has said we will be listening to his new work for a couple of years.. So do I love RCA ? NO
Do I think they gave Adam the shot he needed when no one else did in the years he was trying to get a head? YES I do.. So I'm thankful to RCA ,but frustrated at the very same time.Call me ambivalent.
I think if RCA wanted Adam played on radio more they could do what they did for Kelly ,when her new song was floundering.. get another single out there and make sure radio plays it.
I remember Adam was having trouble with WWFM and there was talk of strings being pulled.. all of a sudden it was a hit.
More to all of this than meets the eye.
Thank goodness there is Queen with Adam and Youtube and loads of Adam songs.. other wise this fan would be really,REALLY frustrated.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 7, 2012 14:13:22 GMT -5
BTIKM has faced a comedy of errors type of thing..Management at RCA changed and then there was a consolidation with other off shoots of the company. There is a New head of RCA ,I believe. The president before him loved Adam from what I Have read. Then the infamous lawsuit over Adam's old work.BTIKM thrown out to the public without any real money or publicity behind it. Then Whitney's death and all her old music selling like crazy.Seems to me that Adam is his own PR person,label, sales person etc. I think RCA put little money into the selling of BTIKM.They seem totally conservative and the artist, IMHO has to get out there,as Adam has done and make it happen. I mean we listened to songs from For Your Entertainment for years .. we were desperate for new music from Adam and still are. Adam has said we will be listening to his new work for a couple of years.. So do I love RCA ? NO Do I think they gave Adam the shot he needed when no one else did in the years he was trying to get a head?Yes I do.. So I'm thankful to RCA ,but frustrated at the very same time.Call me ambivalent. I think if RCA wanted BTIKM played on radio more they could do what they did for Kelly ,when her new song was floundering.. get another single out there and make sure radio plays it. I remember Adam was having trouble with WWFM and there was talk of strings being pulled.. all of a sudden it was a hit. More to all of this than meets the eye. Kelly's song wasn't floundering. MKIA was a top 10 CHR hit and top 5 in HAC. It sold over a million copies. It flew up to #17 in a month and RCA gave MKIA 4 months on the charts before it sent out Stronger. BTIKM is not the song WWFM was. There is no way RCA could push this song anywhere close to where WWFM was at any point along its journey. They don't have enough money to push this song to the top! It's really simple, this just isn't the right song for radio. Adam didn't choose this song, RCA screwed up. |
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Post by melliemom on Mar 7, 2012 14:24:04 GMT -5
BTIKM has faced a comedy of errors type of thing..Management at RCA changed and then there was a consolidation with other off shoots of the company. There is a New head of RCA ,I believe. The president before him loved Adam from what I Have read. Then the infamous lawsuit over Adam's old work.BTIKM thrown out to the public without any real money or publicity behind it. Then Whitney's death and all her old music selling like crazy.Seems to me that Adam is his own PR person,label, sales person etc. I think RCA put little money into the selling of BTIKM.They seem totally conservative and the artist, IMHO has to get out there,as Adam has done and make it happen. I mean we listened to songs from For Your Entertainment for years .. we were desperate for new music from Adam and still are. Adam has said we will be listening to his new work for a couple of years.. So do I love RCA ? NO Do I think they gave Adam the shot he needed when no one else did in the years he was trying to get a head?Yes I do.. So I'm thankful to RCA ,but frustrated at the very same time.Call me ambivalent. I think if RCA wanted BTIKM played on radio more they could do what they did for Kelly ,when her new song was floundering.. get another single out there and make sure radio plays it. I remember Adam was having trouble with WWFM and there was talk of strings being pulled.. all of a sudden it was a hit. More to all of this than meets the eye. Kelly's song wasn't floundering. MKIA was a top 10 CHR hit and top 5 in HAC. It sold over a million copies. It flew up to #17 in a month and RCA gave MKIA 4 months on the charts before it sent out Stronger. BTIKM is not the song WWFM was. There is no way RCA could push this song anywhere close to where WWFM was at any point along its journey. They don't have enough money to push this song to the top! It's really simple, this just isn't the right song for radio. Adam didn't choose this song, RCA screwed up. If that's the case why were Kelly's fans so upset?? Also I don't think I'm the only one who loves BTIKM .. It seems to be doing very well outside of the U.S. |
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Post by annietoo on Mar 7, 2012 14:24:22 GMT -5
BTIKM has faced a comedy of errors type of thing..Management at RCA changed and then there was a consolidation with other off shoots of the company. There is a New head of RCA ,I believe. The president before him loved Adam from what I Have read. Then the infamous lawsuit over Adam's old work.BTIKM thrown out to the public without any real money or publicity behind it. Then Whitney's death and all her old music selling like crazy.Seems to me that Adam is his own PR person,label, sales person etc. I think RCA put little money into the selling of BTIKM.They seem totally conservative and the artist, IMHO has to get out there,as Adam has done and make it happen. I mean we listened to songs from For Your Entertainment for years .. we were desperate for new music from Adam and still are. Adam has said we will be listening to his new work for a couple of years.. So do I love RCA ? NO Do I think they gave Adam the shot he needed when no one else did in the years he was trying to get a head?Yes I do.. So I'm thankful to RCA ,but frustrated at the very same time.Call me ambivalent. I think if RCA wanted BTIKM played on radio more they could do what they did for Kelly ,when her new song was floundering.. get another single out there and make sure radio plays it. I remember Adam was having trouble with WWFM and there was talk of strings being pulled.. all of a sudden it was a hit. More to all of this than meets the eye. Kelly's song wasn't floundering. MKIA was a top 10 CHR hit and top 5 in HAC. It sold over a million copies. It flew up to #17 in a month and RCA gave MKIA 4 months on the charts before it sent out Stronger. BTIKM is not the song WWFM was. There is no way RCA could push this song anywhere close to where WWFM was at any point along its journey. They don't have enough money to push this song to the top! It's really simple, this just isn't the right song for radio. Adam didn't choose this song, RCA screwed up. See, I disagree about WWFM. I like BTIKM so much better and to me was a stronger Pop fit. A lot of the people who reviewed said it was a more commercial single also. I don't know what is going on but I really don't think the song is the problem regarding CHR. I really it had to do with the expectation that Adam's first single was going to be an uptempo dance song and BTIKM kind of deflated that thinking. WWFM does not seem like a superior song to me but the timing was perfect because Adam still had all that momentum from Idol and yes, even the AMA's. RCA should have led off with a bombastic dance number but I think they felt BTIKM would get less resistance from US radio and I think they were wrong. They just don't know what to do with Adam because his situation is still tricky with radio. I love BTIKM but I have finally accepted it was a wrong lead off single and they should have gone for broke with Trespassing or Cuckoo. |
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