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Post by melliemom on Mar 7, 2012 14:32:47 GMT -5
Kelly's song wasn't floundering. MKIA was a top 10 CHR hit and top 5 in HAC. It sold over a million copies. It flew up to #17 in a month and RCA gave MKIA 4 months on the charts before it sent out Stronger. BTIKM is not the song WWFM was. There is no way RCA could push this song anywhere close to where WWFM was at any point along its journey. They don't have enough money to push this song to the top! It's really simple, this just isn't the right song for radio. Adam didn't choose this song, RCA screwed up. See, I disagree about WWFM. I like BTIKM so much better and to me was a stronger Pop fit. A lot of the people who reviewed said it was a more commercial single also. I don't know what is going on but I really don't think the song is the problem regarding CHR. I really it had to do with the expectation that Adam's first single was going to be an uptempo dance song and BTIKM kind of deflated that thinking. WWFM does not seem like a superior song to me but the timing was perfect because Adam still had all that momentum from Idol and yes, even the AMA's. RCA should have led off with a bombastic dance number but I think they felt BTIKM would get less resistance from US radio and I think they were wrong. They just don't know what to do with Adam because his situation is still tricky with radio. I love BTIKM but I have finally accepted it was a wrong lead off single and they should have gone for broke with Trespassing or Cuckoo. I agree with you above .IMHO I think RCA will play it safe again with a Bruno Mars song..Wrong thinking again. Adam's claim to fame is that he's daring,different,exciting.. If only RCA would listen to Adam.. he knows what would be a hit . Look how he chose songs for idol and how he brought his own interpretation to covers... Geez he must be frustrated. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 14:40:41 GMT -5
Jablea, nothing about BTIKM sounds like, fingers on a chalkboard to me, I love it!  annie, I agree with you about the WWFM and BTIKM comparison. For me, WWFM is way more HAC than BTIKM is. However, even I was surprised that RCA didn't choose one of the upbeat songs for the first single. My theory, that I have only shared with a few people via PM, is that I think the purpose of BTIKM and the video WAS to get Adam to break into all those conservative areas that never jumped on the bandwagon during the FYE era. It seemed to work! The parts of the country that added early and keep on adding has amazed me... Iowa? Macon, Georgia?! WUT! LOL! That's why I think a 2nd single was always intended before the album came out. BTIKM was a warm up for conservative radio. |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 7, 2012 14:50:58 GMT -5
See, I disagree about WWFM. I like BTIKM so much better and to me was a stronger Pop fit. A lot of the people who reviewed said it was a more commercial single also. I don't know what is going on but I really don't think the song is the problem regarding CHR. I really it had to do with the expectation that Adam's first single was going to be an uptempo dance song and BTIKM kind of deflated that thinking. WWFM does not seem like a superior song to me but the timing was perfect because Adam still had all that momentum from Idol and yes, even the AMA's. RCA should have led off with a bombastic dance number but I think they felt BTIKM would get less resistance from US radio and I think they were wrong. They just don't know what to do with Adam because his situation is still tricky with radio. I love BTIKM but I have finally accepted it was a wrong lead off single and they should have gone for broke with Trespassing or Cuckoo. I agree with you above .IMHO I think RCA will play it safe again with a Bruno Mars song..Wrong thinking again. Adam's claim to fame is that he's daring,different,exciting.. If only RCA would listen to Adam.. he knows what would be a hit . Look how he chose songs for idol and how he brought his own interpretation to covers... Geez he must be frustrated. The song is the problem. All you have to do is look at the itunes charts in every country where WWFM was a huge hit. BTIKM has a great video, but that can't even save this song. WWFM was a better song for radio. It had an undeniable hook, words that listeners could easily relate to and it was easy to sing along with. I'm not a huge fan of Dr. Luke and Adam as a team. I wish Max Martin could produce something else for a radio single. I just want a song that has a chance on Pop radio. I don't care who it comes from or who does what to help it get there. Somebody needs to get it right this time, though! Because Kelly's fans are selfish and stupid. They wanted a #1 hit like Stronger is and nothing else makes them happy. They weren't satisfied with a top 10 CHR hit and a #1 at the BB Top 100. BTIKM isn't doing well outside of the US. Japan seems to be liking it, but their musical taste is different than Canada, Europe and the US. They loved TFM. I'm thrilled it is doing so well over there, but it's almost a bad sign.  |
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Post by melliemom on Mar 7, 2012 14:52:23 GMT -5
Jablea, nothing about BTIKM sounds like, fingers on a chalkboard to me, I love it! annie, I agree with you about the WWFM and BTIKM comparison. For me, WWFM is way more HAC than BTIKM is. However, even I was surprised that RCA didn't choose one of the upbeat songs for the first single. My theory, that I have only shared with a few people via PM, is that I think the purpose of BTIKM and the video WAS to get Adam to break into all those conservative areas that never jumped on the bandwagon during the FYE era. It seemed to work! The parts of the country that added early and keep on adding has amazed me... Iowa? Macon, Georgia?! WUT! LOL! That's why I think a 2nd single was always intended before the album came out. BTIKM was a warm up for conservative radio. Gosh I hope you are right... I want to believe in RCA's smarts |
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Post by crazyoldgal on Mar 7, 2012 14:58:08 GMT -5
Someone, somewhere might have speculated that BTIKM was suppose to be a bridge of WWFM to Tresspassing. Isn't BTIKM a dr Luke song? a supposed hitmaker for Katie? well I guess they all can't be hits.
One of the problems I see w this song is the high notes, not easy to sing along with. Even Adam admitted its a difficult song so how is the public to sing along? My girlfriend also mentioned to me that she felt the ending left her hanging. I agree. WHen Adam sings it acoustically, he finishes the song with a few notes going down the scale. My husband who heard it Saturday on Sirius mentioned the first thinkg was he didn't hear a "hook". How many others think the same thought? oh well
My question although the song is getting more spins, itunes is at 414 which is ho hum.... When might we hear the next single? or will Adam be single this song on AI?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 15:15:22 GMT -5
I sing to BTIKM all the time. I don't sound like Adam, but I still do it. ;D
Besides, I think the "sing along" factor is over rated. Bop along, yes! Chair dance in the car, yes! But being able to sing along to a song has never been my criteria for a Pop song. There are all kinds of crazy big songs out that have so much techno & production in them it is really impossible to sing along at all!
ETA: What he sings on Idol will depend on when he is on and when the 2nd single comes out. If he is on in March, the 29th is still an open date, he should sing BTIKM. It could give it a big push. If he is on in April and a 2nd single is NOT out yet, I think he should still sing BTIKM. Single premieres on Idol do very little for sales anymore. If a song has not been on radio for at least a few weeks, sales have not gotten a significant bump, with a premiere, for the past few years.
If he is on in late April and the new single is out, then he should defnitiely sing the new one. I think he should also do DWTS!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 15:16:48 GMT -5
Because they are Idol fans angsting about their Idol's single!!  Now they are angsting about the choice for the 3rd single! |
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Post by bullsfan on Mar 7, 2012 15:26:05 GMT -5
tigerlily, that's exactly it. Adam is such a celebrity, and the media treats him like a star. But radio is not there yet, and once again RCA has failed to see this. IMO, it feels like they expected him to just explode on radio (without a lot of work on their part), forgetting that radio does not always follow on-line/media popularity. It's like they magically expected BTIKM to blow-up on radio and have now had to back-up, reassess, and "take-two." This is all just my speculation, of course. But it feels so much like the FYE situation; and there really is no excuse this time.
Apart from parts of Asia/Japan, BTIKM is NOT doing well internationally. It is struggling in Canada and Europe. New Zealand has even rejected it.
eta: The "problem" for Kelly was that a few songs leaked, and one was Stronger. Stronger was almost universally thought to be a hit from the minute it was out there. Kelly's fans were impatient.
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Post by crazyoldgal on Mar 7, 2012 15:29:35 GMT -5
DIdn't his single fly up the chart when he premiered it on LENO and ELLEN????? Or was it just his avid fanbase?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 15:40:18 GMT -5
DIdn't his single fly up the chart when he premiered it on LENO and ELLEN????? Or was it just his avid fanbase? It moved up quite a bit on i-Tunes, yes. But it still sold just 4,000. It wasn't a sustained move up though. It just lasted a few days. This recent move up is lasting. Remember, i-Tunes doesn't count multiple sales, so any sales he is getting now is because people outside the core fanbase are buying it. It is because people are hearing it and liking it enough to buy. The magic number for good sales, is still an AI, of 10 million. With HAC and CHR combined, Adam is at about 5 million. I don't think the promo Adam is doing now has been added on at the last minute. I think RCA always had it planned to send him to Europe first and start US radio mid - end of Feb. Why, I have no idea. Their whole rollout has been weird! Toby (D.C) has known since January that Adam would be there in March! |
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