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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Mar 8, 2012 20:49:32 GMT -5
I don't think many have said they hate or even dislike BTIKM. I think we're just trying to figure out WHY it's languishing. Nothing wrong with that IMO. And that's fine, just as long as we have a little perspective that there ARE people out there who DO like it. Sometimes I think fandom thinks a little bit too "in the bubble" and seeing that non fans and stans actually like it is a good thing. That our opinions, while valid, are not the last word on this song. Whatever, Imma just hope they release some snippets soon so we can say WITH SOME ACTUALFAX PROOF TO BACK IT UP what we think would be a good next single lol. I'm sure NONE of us will agree but at least we will be able to hear them before making a judgement...plus, ya know...squeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 20:58:30 GMT -5
I'll bet I've posted at least 10 times in the past few weeks that a song doesn't start going up on i-tunes and stay there until it reaches an audience impresssion of around 10 million. Adam is just under 4 million right now. And, it helps if that 10 million is mostly CHR radio. Adam's is mostly HAC right now. crazyoldgal, people can not buy a song they haven't heard yet. ETA: In all fairness, there are only some people singing funeral dirges, not everyone in this whole thread. Some peole ask questions because they don't know the answers and are trying to learn the number business, like Jazzrocks. Some people are just natural angsters, this is the kind of person who worries about everything. And yes, there are a few people who think BTIKM is dead despite the fact that it is constantly moving up on HAC and has moved up on CHR too with several new, big stations just starting to spin. I don't know what to say about them other then I try to post my "glass half full" philospohy and hope it sticks!  |
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Post by crazyoldgal on Mar 8, 2012 21:05:46 GMT -5
I'll bet I've posted at least 10 times in the past few weeks that a song doesn't start going up on i-tunes and stay there until it reaches an audience impresssion of around 10 million. Adam is just under 4 million right now. And, it helps if that 10 million is mostly CHR radio. Adam's is mostly HAC right now. crazyoldgal, people can not buy a song they haven't heard yet. S*&@^# you are so right. This is a vicious cycle, no spins, no hear, no buy... Repeat when heard on Leno/Ellen, it sold a fair amount. Why aren't the stations playing BTIKM??? ??? ??? ??? We keep repeating, PD's aren't giving it playtime. WHy? It's not a bad song just not "Stronger" but still good. Well time will tell, if he sings this on AI, let's see what his #'s are. If I recall right, when he sang WWFM like in the 'space ship effect", didn't he sell like 100,000 downloads? signing off, off to play the game at 101.9 Chicago. |
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Post by marie23 on Mar 8, 2012 21:10:01 GMT -5
I'll bet I've posted at least 10 times in the past few weeks that a song doesn't start going up on i-tunes and stay there until it reaches an audience impresssion of around 10 million. Adam is just under 4 million right now. And, it helps if that 10 million is mostly CHR radio. Adam's is mostly HAC right now. crazyoldgal, people can not buy a song they haven't heard yet. ETA: In all fairness, there are only some people singing funeral dirges, not everyone in this whole thread. Some peole ask questions because they don't know the answers and are trying to learn the number business, like Jazzrocks. Some people are just natural angsters, this is the kind of person who worries about everything. And yes, there are a few people who think BTIKM is dead despite the fact that it is constantly moving up on HAC and has moved up on CHR too with several new, big stations just starting to spin. I don't know what to say about them other then I try to post my "glass half full" philospohy and hope it sticks! Yes to this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think, a somewhat good example right now, is Canada. It's not being played on radio much, so not many people are hearing it, but now due too it being voted to #1 almost everyday, which is resulting to it being played on that MuchMusic channel 4 times a day, now it's moving up on Itunes. Just this past few days, I keep hearing updates of how it wasn't in the Top 1000's and now it's in the Top 200's on Itunes main, and top 100/50 on the Pop chart. And that's only due to mainly a week or 2 of video play. I think that, even though it's not an instant smash, a lot of people do like it, and it results into it being bought, if it's just being heard. I mean I would panic if it's got like 10mil ai and people still not buying it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 21:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by rihannsu on Mar 8, 2012 21:15:49 GMT -5
I have a suggestion. When we are discussing songs and talking about hooks I would really appreciate hearing exactly what the hook is rather than people just saying "oh that song has a great hook". The reason I'm suggesting this is that everywhere I've been in discussions and debates people are constantly arguing back and forth about hooks and NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE FUCKING HOOK IS!!!!! To be honest I've kind of tuned out of these discussions because I've seen just as many people say WWFM didn't have a hook as I've seen saying BTIKM doesn't have a hook. I for one would like to learn exactly WHAT it is that people consider a hook and if no one ever identifies what they see is the hook how is any one supposed to learn. It's basically the part of the song that gets stuck in your head for lack of a better explanation. But since everyone is different not everyone hears a hook the way others do it seems. For me BTIKM is WAAY more hookier than WWFM is. I dunno but for me the hook is the chorus starting at the "if i wanted to go I woulda gone by now..." But some it isn't as catchy to them so they don't hear a hook. IDK it's very subjective it seems.. That's my point I want people to say "BTIKM has a hook and it is _______". I want to know specifically what they consider the hook in the particular song they are discussing is. I know what the definition of a hook is but it would help tremendously if people would specifically identify what they consider the hook in the song being discussed is. In the entire time I've been following music stuff online going back to 2005 with U2 I can literally count on one hand the number of times someone has specifically identified what they see as the hook of a particular song being discussed. I was starting to think it was some kind of secret code that only the in crowd is supposed to know. LOL |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 8, 2012 21:16:04 GMT -5
I want to post, but I keep writing and deleting, writing and deleting because I know I'll be modded, because I want to talk about meta things. About patterns in discussions, rather than what is being discussed.
I don't want to post about why I don't choose to be concerned about the chart progress of BTIKM, or about it's production, or the song writing. I've already done that time and time again, and so have many others. I find repeating myself tiring and energy sapping. I don't think it's my obligation or anyone's obligation.
"I'll bet I've posted at least 10 times in the past few weeks that a song doesn't start going up on i-tunes and stay there until it reaches an audience impresssion of around 10 million." yes mys*&@^#r has said this again and again. She is an angel and has a lot of patience.
I don't want to weigh in on potential other singles I've not yet heard. RCA and Adam are supporting and promoting this single. They have given no indication that they intend to replace it soon, and that is an option they have. Therefore there must be larger bottom-line reasons that make sense to them to continue working with this single at this point. It's pretty simple IMO.
A ton of Cumulus HAC stations just added this single in the last few weeks and started spinning during the day immediately, lots of Cumulus people including a VP of some sort just squeezed into that Atlanta station to hear Adam sing (which the station acknowledged was unusual), and fangirled and fanboyed like whoa. That makes me happy.
Rihannsu, both Chunkey and I posted what we think the hook in BTIKM is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 21:19:25 GMT -5
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Post by iceish on Mar 8, 2012 21:32:17 GMT -5
The hook in a song is very subjective. I listen to radio a lot, still I am more hook to those Britney type song This is the reason why I love FYE so much and I think the production was insane to me at that time. And I also like WWFM, I found the whole song was catchy and it was different from what I had in the playlist. But I also found Adam had a totally different tone/voice on each song. I am one of those easily brainwash by radio. Adele and Bruno Mars or Gaga has same voice/tone on their songs, they are easily recognized. The problem I think for BTIKM is Adam sound very different from WWFM, he seems not having his own sound yet. BTIKM does sound very plain to me in the beginning, I only start liking it after gazillion time. So if radio play it frequently, it will sell but take time.
My latest purchase is Stronger, the hooky part I like is "what doesn't kill you make you stronger,stronger,just me,myself ...love the lyric too.
But my radio station play Kelly's song non-stop.
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Post by stardust on Mar 8, 2012 21:33:10 GMT -5
I just want to add that a lot of the distress over this single is that the many in the fandom thought that any song that Adam put out was going to go racing up the charts and smash. That only happens to superstars, and as much as we love him, he is not a superstar yet. I truly believe that is why there is so much anger and worry. We were very unrealistic and set our own selves up in a way. I'm sad that Adam may be reading all the unhappiness about his song on twitter and the fandom angst.
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