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Post by gbam on Mar 20, 2012 12:35:19 GMT -5
The incident in finland, IMO, has NO impact on whether Adam's song is getting played on radio or not. It was back in December, he cleared up what happened not to mention they play Chris Brown on the same stations that someone is claiming won't play Adam for a "domestic" dispute...come on. Chris Brown faced some backlash thou. He did not get back to radio again until 2011. There was a time he broke down on twitter telling his fans to help beg radio station to play him. What of at BET or award that he was crying about the backlash from radio. And have you forgotten how the Grammies touted his welcome back to the Grammies stage saying they were the greatest loser in the face off and not Chris? And his current single was stalled on POP for sometime and only recently getting a second wind. He is not exactly burning up the POP chart like he used to. |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 20, 2012 12:39:05 GMT -5
I agree with you on everything you said, but not on the finnish incident. I there were only a few claiming it was domestic abuse. TMZ, PH. But I thought it just came across quiet ridiculous. Of course those who wanted to believe it did, but those one are not relevant as they will see something wrong in everything Adam does. They would even claim he cannot sing just because he did not hit a note once. But I think it made some guys think that Adam is just a guy like them, not the gay, OTT and eyeliner wearing guy, a guy to whom they actually can relate to. These are the ones that are important, these are the ones he could win over as fans, because they are open-minded enough to give him a chance. I'm not saying it was good what happened, but in the aftermath it wasn't bad either IMO. Yes it might have just mattered to a few haters, but how are you sure some radio PDs or corporations were not some of those haters? Most of these people are straight guys with their conservative views. Any allibi to proof the gay is a violent pervert? And it was just not on TMZ and Perez, it was on all the entertainment news across the world. Even after the incident had died down, Finland was still going on about it with magazine prints. Fans were just smart enough to not help give it a second wind in the news by keeping Finland attempt at a second round in-house. If you want to believe it was just limited to Perez and TMZ, how come he was constantly asked about until very recently in all his single round interviews? Pervert? How is a fight with his boyfriend turned into something perverted? This whole thing is bullshit! The "Finland incident" is not what is keeping BTIKM from being played in the US, Canada, Australia and Europe. No one cares about this anymore! He hasn't been consistently asked about it. Everyone has moved on, maybe fans should do the same.  |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 20, 2012 12:39:50 GMT -5
gbam - welcome!
A couple of points:
a) Adam HAS explicitly called on his fans to request BTIKM on their favorite radio stations on twitter. Claude Kelly also has called for fans to request and buy. Adam's official site has moved the radio requesting thread onto the main board (usually all voting links are in a separate voting section). The only visible mod there has posted encouraging comments on the voting and requesting threads, and leads the weeknight voting for spins for UMix it on the Chicago radio station on that site. All the visible signals I'm seeing are that Adam and RCA REALLY want us to request BTIKM.
b) Show me examples of songs selling less than BTIKM on itunes that are charting significantly higher than it.
c) In your MKIA example you mention that it never fell out of the Top 100 on itunes. BTIKM has not made it back up there since it's initial release.
d) Yes stations do jump on airplay by well known artists first with a history of multiple radio hits and high sales. This is not suprising at all. It makes perfect sense to me that Daughtry, Kelly, Xtina, Rihanna, Madonna would get more initial spins than Adam who by comparison is a new artist with a hit and a moderate hit under his belt two years ago. Adam is in the same boat as all other artists with the same track record.
e) BTIKM in tempo and style is a natural fit for HAC, not so much for Pop. Comparing it to songs that fit Pop well isn't particularly useful IMO. It has high spin counts on HAC stations throughout conservative areas in both cities and towns. Pop radio hasn't been particularly interested in it except for Sirius, and spin counts from other supporters have increased and dropped over time but currently the second biggest spinner stations in Pop are in Salt Lake City and Macon Georgia -- very conservative areas.
f) I have seen absolutely no evidence that the Finland thing had anything to do with radio play. A large part of BTIKM's early adds and high plays are on HAC stations in conservative states, cities, and towns. If anything he's broaded his reach into some of these areas which may help when he releases a single that appeals more to the big coastal cities (outside San Fran - another city that he broke into more this era, if I'm not mistaken). It was a standard celebrity news item that quickly faded from public consciousness. He explained because his core fans were worried, and because of wanting to respect the role model aspect of breaking new ground for LGBT artists IMO.
g) I agree that a top 40 US hit is helpful with airplay worldwide and hope that will happen with the next single. But I think frecklesexual has pointed out that Adam songs haven't necessarily followed this pattern before. I think it comes down to the local appeal of the song.
h) Correct me if I'm wrong, but Chris Rene is an Urban artist, isn't he? One Direction are a boyband with a catchy song and considerable overseas success. Their song is currently 19 on Pop, 50 on HAC.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 20, 2012 12:41:32 GMT -5
The incident in finland, IMO, has NO impact on whether Adam's song is getting played on radio or not. It was back in December, he cleared up what happened not to mention they play Chris Brown on the same stations that someone is claiming won't play Adam for a "domestic" dispute...come on. Chris Brown faced some backlash thou. He did not get back to radio again until 2011. There was a time he broke out on twitter telling his fans to help beg radio station to play him. What of at BET or award that he was crying about the backlash from radio. And have you forgotten how the Grammies touted his welcome back to the Grammies stage saying they were the greatest loser in the face off and not Chris? And his current single was stalled on POP for sometime and only recently getting a second wind. He is not exactly burning up the POP chart like he used to. Chris Brown should have received backlash. He beat the shit out of his girlfriend and tried to strangle her. What happened with Adam in Finland is not in the same world as what CB did. rabbitrabbit: I agree with every word! You just said in one concise post what it would have taken me 10 posts to say! I was trying to figure out a way to comment on all the things I wanted to address, so thank you SO MUCH for saying it all in such an articulate, well-organized manner!  |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 20, 2012 12:48:56 GMT -5
Katy is spun because she writes songs that are catchy as hell and that Pop listeners immediately are attracted to. Radio is, in no way, having to force her songs on their listeners. Katy is an older Pop artists, who has paid her dues, and just happens to be one that can write catchy Pop songs with amazing hooks and lyrics that many can relate to. Katy sells singles and albums. Bruno sells singles and albums. Gaga sells singles and albums. Even Kesha sells singles and albums. Not everyone on Pop radio is only a singles seller. The majority of the "singles sellers" are ethnic men. j/s I so much agree. Personally, I tend to add a huge grain of salt to the opinions of commentators (and fandom and this board contains many -- not singling anyone out, it's a very common pattern) who say things like 'people find beauty in what they despise' or talk about Top 40 music being crap. It pretty much says to me that the commentator isn't the intended demographic and doesn't share the taste of the majority of Pop radio listeners, so their analysis will reflect that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 12:52:36 GMT -5
Stardust, I'm glad you said something, because with the news that there are 2 (maybe 3) last minute songs I am worried that the whole concept of the album (which Adam seemed so proud of) could be lost. I watched that early interview with Lyndsey Parker where Adam described how cohesive the album was rather than a "collection of singles" as he put it. I am a little worried that the funky uniqueness will be gone in favor of a bunch of radio songs. And I like radio songs and want Adam to have a hit---just feels like RCA has sent him back to the drawing board. (and I know I am being overly dramatic) , but I am starting to have a little trouble understanding what exactly is going on with this album. Jeez - I'm trying not to think Cook 2.0. But it creeps into my head now & then. It's creeping in now with the "back to the drawing board" phrase. I know, I know, Adam's music is much more relevant than Cooks & what we have heard of the album sounds really awesome. But it's RCA so I get nervous and it seems as though he's switched direction a few times already. I think we all want this to be the album Adam wanted it to be. The one he was is so proud of. There are some great potential singles there so RCA - keep your f**kin' fingers off. There is absolutely zero evidence that the album has switched direction. :-/ He changed direction mid-summer and he has been very vocal about that. I don't know what other changes in direction you are referring to? |
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Post by gbam on Mar 20, 2012 12:54:53 GMT -5
It always comes back to RADIO, isn't it? According to Adam, you cannot write song for radio's whims though since it says it is not about the quality of the song, but radio directors. I am sure he is playing a bit of their politics. He is probably working his way around them so that they find him pleasing enough to add his songs on their playlists. And here is hoping it works out for him eventually. It is such a tough business and I sometimes feel so sorry for him. Some artists like Katy are sure any crap they spill out would be spun every 30 mins no matter what. The funniest thing is most of the artists they spin cannot sell cds to save their lives even with all the exposure. How many cds do Derulo, Pitbull, Guetta and co sell for constantly being exposed to millions of music buyers everyday??? Radio doesn't seem to care about this thou unfortunately. They would spin who they want and not necessarily what their audience crave for. There are so many assumptions that are off with your last three post, I don't even know where to start. What country are you from? If you don't live here, how can you understand the radio here? How can you understand the mentality of Pop radio listeners in the US? Yes, Kelly's MKIA is a better fit for US Pop radio Than BTIKM is. It consistently stayed in the top 30 on itunes. It is still hanging on on HAC and Pop and will be one of those recurrents that gets spun on a regular basis. Katy is spun because she writes songs that are catchy as hell and that Pop listeners immediately are attracted to. Radio is, in no way, having to force her songs on their listeners. Katy is an older Pop artists, who has paid her dues, and just happens to be one that can write catchy Pop songs with amazing hooks and lyrics that many can relate to. Katy sells singles and albums. Bruno sells singles and albums. Gaga sells singles and albums. Even Kesha sells singles and albums. Not everyone on Pop radio is only a singles seller. The majority of the "singles sellers" are ethnic men. j/s The country I come from shouldn't take away from what I am saying here. Adamtopia gets its daily number updates from Saga's site and that site gets its information from Kworb on Pulse. None of these two people are from the USA. One is from Sweden and the other is from Holland. PUlse POP is totally built around Kworb and a few others. As for Kelly, she did not stay within the 30s on iTunes. She was mostly in the 50s until during her album promotion week that she moved slightly up again. She has a page on Pulse for this song. I do not yet know the rules for this board otherwise I would have copied the updates. Despite the heavy radio updAtes it kept getting on HAC and POP, the song crashed to the 50s in its second week of purchase. Maybe where you are getting your figures are different from Pulse? In fact people on pulse were already proclaiming her a has been and fans were hoping it would at least crack top 15 on POP. It eventually peaked at 11 on POP. And I do not agree it is a better fit on the radio. The song did well because radio jumped on it due due to who was singing it. The same theory Adam alluded to. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 12:55:35 GMT -5
gbam, I think you said you are not in the US, is that right? Things like the Finland incident are in the US gossip sites on a daily basis! It is blown out of proportion, everyone laughs and/or shakes their heads, and then it is over and the masses move on to the next celebrity scandal. Really, it was not anywhere near as big as the AMAs and I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Adam's radio play.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 20, 2012 13:07:30 GMT -5
There are so many assumptions that are off with your last three post, I don't even know where to start. What country are you from? If you don't live here, how can you understand the radio here? How can you understand the mentality of Pop radio listeners in the US? Yes, Kelly's MKIA is a better fit for US Pop radio Than BTIKM is. It consistently stayed in the top 30 on itunes. It is still hanging on on HAC and Pop and will be one of those recurrents that gets spun on a regular basis. Katy is spun because she writes songs that are catchy as hell and that Pop listeners immediately are attracted to. Radio is, in no way, having to force her songs on their listeners. Katy is an older Pop artists, who has paid her dues, and just happens to be one that can write catchy Pop songs with amazing hooks and lyrics that many can relate to. Katy sells singles and albums. Bruno sells singles and albums. Gaga sells singles and albums. Even Kesha sells singles and albums. Not everyone on Pop radio is only a singles seller. The majority of the "singles sellers" are ethnic men. j/s The country I come from should take away from what I am saying here. Adamtopia gets its daily number updates from Saga's site and that site gets its information from Kworb on Pulse. None of these two people are from the USA. One is from Sweden and the other is from Holland. PUlse POP is totally built around Kvorb and a few others. As for Kelly, she did not stay within the 30s on iTunes. She has a page on Pulse for this song. I do not yet know the rules for this board otherwise I would have copied the updates. Despite the heavy radio updAtes it kept getting on HAC and POP, the song crashed to the 50s in its second week of purchase. Maybe where you are getting your figures are different from Pulse? In fact people on pulse were already proclaiming her a has been and fans were hoping it would at least crack top 15 on POP. It eventually peaked at 11 on POP. And I do not agree it is a better fit on the radio. The song did well because radio jumped on it due due to who was singing it. The same theory Adam alluded to. It does matter what country you are from. If you have not listened to Pop radio in the US everyday of your life for the past 20-40 years, that puts you at a disadvantage to some of us who have. You are sharing your opinion about what is popular in the US, but you don't live in the pop culture here. In addition, some of us have teenagers and we have watched them and their groups of friends over the past decade and we can add some insight as to what is popular in this country and the reasons behind the popularity of some artists. MKIA stayed in the the itunes top 30s or above on a consistent basis. I never said it didn't dip below that temporarily. As a Kelly fan, I followed both her threads on Pulse on a daily basis. MKIA was a good Pop song. It has a faster tempo and a better hook than BTIKM. MKIA is not as strong as Stronger, but it did its job of being a hit song on Pop and HAC for months. MKIA stayed in the top 20 on CHR for close to four months!  The Kelly fans on Pulse are ridiculous. They expect too much from a thirty year old, female Pop singer. All things considered, she is doing extremely well this era! |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 20, 2012 13:22:04 GMT -5
gbam --- I don't go to Pulse and am not particularly interested in other idols so I haven't tracked Kelly. But I would think comparing her to Adam would be akin to comparing Xtina or another female pop star with a string of hits and a decade on radio -- in other words, not like Adam at all.
I think saga's site is very well organized and she presents 'just the facts ma'am' i.e. the numbers. The charts I pay attention to there are directly pulled off All Access/mediabase.
I login daily to All Access to look at the mediabase HAC and POP charts and leaders and starters directly myself and have since the beginning of BTIKM's run. I also check out the spins on the stations that have added through Medibase's song add history.
That doesn't give me much of a sense of how he compares to other artists (except those he's currently competing with on HAC for example), but I have payed close attention to which stations have played BTIKM, when during the day, and how much. I've also watched airplay increase and decrease on individual stations over time.
Bottom line as far as I can tell (with limited context)? If anything the AI connection, and the HAC - friendliness of this song have helped some with HAC airplay in more conservative rural and suburban areas.
The song doesn't appear to have as much appeal up to this point in some bigger cities and on Top 40 stations. I'm sure 'politics' as Adam mentioned play some part. But I think these are likely internal industry and label politics about timing, pay-for-play, competing songs at the moment, that would be pretty opaque to an outside observer.
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