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Post by gbam on Apr 27, 2012 7:30:20 GMT -5
Oh! I did find it! It is the NCOE 2nd single thread for anyone interested. Ronniecy or whatever is called is the one talking about A's older fanbase while Elliegrll is the one replying. It is specifically on the 3rd page if you start with older posts as your reading option.
Ronnie: "Perhaps his last song didn't sell well because if you look at his audience in that clip, it's over 90 percent older women, that's his core audience, but he seems determined to try to woo a young hip crowd, but they don't seem to be interested in his songs, which this time around aren't that good."
Ellig: "This is something that is said about every idol alum, usually as a means of putting them down. Carrie has stated that the makeup of her concert crowds is different from those of most country artists because of AI, and many of the rock leaning idols draw more female fans than male ones, which is unusual for rock acts. Drawing more women and older women is just a part of the benefit from being on AI. The alums will begin to attract people who fit their demo as they release more music that fits their chosen genre."
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Post by aralid on Apr 27, 2012 7:36:38 GMT -5
X Factor does have a younger following and one that is more ethnically diverse than AI does. So does The Voice. There are statistics that show this to be true. The fact that X Factor is new to the scene and didn't have a tour, helped the contestants to be seen more as new artists. This also helped lessen the overabundance of fanatical older fans, like the ones that attach to their chosen guy each year after the AI season is over. Plus, Chris Rene is doing the type of music that is relevant to today's current CHR/Hip Hop/Rhythmic charts. This is an area that AI doesn't really cater to. I unfortunately do not agree with just like I do not share in most of your views. The stastitics of these shows posted all the time on m js neither support this viewpoint also. Adam is also doing Chr music. All the people, magazines like Rolling Stone that previewed the album claim so and some of the snippets frm the album that fans have heard prove this too. He is frm AI and it comes with them all. All d graduates of the show has older fans based on that and only dumb PDs wld say that is a disadvantage. I think having an already built fan base no matter the demo is an advantage to me personally anyway. All the other artists some of you guys name checked like Riri n co built fan bases via radio except for Bieber and that is what radio exposure does. See casual fans make n break artists and everyone in the biz knows this and not a few thousands of inbuilt fan however old they are. Saying radio wldn't play an artist whose music fits because of a few fanatic older fans seem weird to me. That reminds me also of Gaga's story and her initial struggle to be played on the radio. She said she owns her career to the gays as they were the ones who helped her crack radio becos they got hooked on her songs, her first gig was also with them for example etc. she did not catch up with radio becos of a young fan demo, her later radio exposure of strings of no. 1 hits did this for her. What I am saying it that is what radio does, hence everyone needs it to reach that demo. I still think it is weird n definitely not true that radio wld not play an artist based on their supposedly fan bases. Radio exposes new artists with no known fan bases everyday, and some other artists have to prove they have a fan base and prove that fan base to be of a right demo before radio agrees to play them. Honestly speaking this does not seem logical to me at all. Mind you, all I ve written is my opinion of course. One last thing, I also feel comparing Lee, Cook and co to Adam and their radio play is also weird since Adam does not do their kind of music i.e. totally diff artists. Radio at least Hac did jump on their singles. Who knows maybe these songs failing to connect using iTunes as a guage was a discouragement, not even a prescence on the overall 1000 songs and showing also not a préscence with tv appearances might have been a turn off frm further play. This was what I personally saw was the problem with their songs. DC's only iTunes appearance apart from when his single initially went on sale was with his AI gig and the combined sale of that week was about 20,000 or so. Yet AI was the King of ratings w no Xfactor or TheVoice competition then. Even the no. 1 Hac station was among the first to add DC, so the support was initially there. Something must have made them to not continue with, one of which is my personal theory which also might just be a fallacy. It is not logical for me, too. I don't know anything about how many old fans of AI contestants nor any other superstar have. But I don't think it is important. Radio does not play music for the handfull stans in their audience, they play music they think a big part of their audience will enjoy most. It is not really about the fanbase, at least it shouldn't be. Adam is CHR and NCOE fits CHR radio, as far as I can say and have read here on Atop. If PDs really want Adam to be HAC than it is the job of his label to convience them, that Adam is an pop artists, because Trespassing does not sound like HAC. |
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Post by wal on Apr 27, 2012 9:24:49 GMT -5
IdolsNow @idolsnow
ADAM LAMBERT's "Never Close Our Eyes" debuts on the Bubbling Under the Hot 100 chart at #10. @adamlambert
Is this good?
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Post by JazzRocks on Apr 27, 2012 9:41:43 GMT -5
Best I can get on iTunes numbers is Pop #148 showing through the iTunes store itself as the feeds are screwed and I can't get top 1000. This is not a bump because it was at #142 at 7pm last night. Have to go to work so if anyone else can get numbers that would be great. It's 157 Pop (on iTunes store) at 10:41. So no bump at all from Kimmel???? |
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Post by rihannsu on Apr 27, 2012 12:27:55 GMT -5
Best I can get on iTunes numbers is Pop #148 showing through the iTunes store itself as the feeds are screwed and I can't get top 1000. This is not a bump because it was at #142 at 7pm last night. Have to go to work so if anyone else can get numbers that would be great. It's 157 Pop (on iTunes store) at 10:41. So no bump at all from Kimmel???? Apparently not but I don't think that is too surprising as I'm pretty sure it's been said that the really late night shows don't really give much of a bump. When he did BTIKM on Leno I think that maybe has bigger audience or is a little earlier but at that point BTIKM was out of the top 1000 and Leno only got it up to the 600's and then Ellen got it up to the 200's. NCOE was at 501 overall at 7pm last night. |
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Post by bullsfan on Apr 27, 2012 13:42:12 GMT -5
Is it normal not to get any bump from a performance on something late night like Kimmel?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 13:48:17 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting a bump from Kimmel. Maybe a small one but nothing major. Especially since the music act comes on so late. However, NCOE is so incredible live, I will be very surprised if it doesn't get a great bump from Idol!  |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 27, 2012 13:52:16 GMT -5
X Factor does have a younger following and one that is more ethnically diverse than AI does. So does The Voice. There are statistics that show this to be true. The fact that X Factor is new to the scene and didn't have a tour, helped the contestants to be seen more as new artists. This also helped lessen the overabundance of fanatical older fans, like the ones that attach to their chosen guy each year after the AI season is over. Plus, Chris Rene is doing the type of music that is relevant to today's current CHR/Hip Hop/Rhythmic charts. This is an area that AI doesn't really cater to. I unfortunately do not agree with just like I do not share in most of your views. The stastitics of these shows posted all the time on m js neither support this viewpoint also. That's fine, but MJs does not report the exact breakdown of ages that are watching the respective shows. She reports the statistics from the site 'TV By The Numbers' and that site does not break down the 18-49 age range into smaller segments. It also doesn't say what the racial make-up of the viewing audience is for individual shows. MJs does not report all the statistics about every show. There have been several articles and reports that have broken down that 18-49 range and looked at the racial make-up of the viewers of the three competition shows. AI's viewers skew much older, very white, religious and southern. The Voice and X Factor have a more diverse viewing audience in all of these categories. |
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Post by staytuned on Apr 27, 2012 13:59:40 GMT -5
It seems to me that iTunes is still frozen and shows yesterday's results. It's a pity that if there is a bump we cannot see it.
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 27, 2012 14:09:38 GMT -5
Is it normal not to get any bump from a performance on something late night like Kimmel? Absolutely! Adam only got small bumps from shows like Leno and Letterman when he did them. The shows with the bigger bumps are usually shows like Ellen or The View. Next would be shows like DWTS, SYTYCD and of course, American Idol. JKL is on even latter than Leno, so I didn't expect much of a bump at all! |
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