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Apr 25, 2012 9:43:52 GMT -5
Post by Q3 on Apr 25, 2012 9:43:52 GMT -5
The question of "why is Adam's talent under appreciated?" is an interesting question. I do not think it is completely true. I think that talent-based fame takes time to build.
ETA one more thought: I think for many music writers, the say things like under appreciated when they mean, "Why didn't he sell more music?"
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The question and the responses in the thread triggered a few thoughts -- just based on my own observations.
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I think the Idol path (which was Adam's only realistic path to a major label contract) is his biggest challenge. It makes him "uncool" to some people (my 22-year old son and his friends). At the same time, much of the Idol audience has conservative music taste and seems to skew toward Country and traditional pop-rock music. Adam is "too edgy-gay-non-Christian-etc." for many Idol fans.
My hope is that since Idol is 3 years ago, Adam can start to be judged (and appreciated) independently of being on a "cheesy talent show". (Cheesy used in a loving way because this show gave us Adam Lambert.)
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The second challenge is where are all the Divos?
Pop soloists seem to be either male "heartthrobs" or female "divas" or "party thugs". Bruno and Bieber are heartthrobs, Pittbull and Chris Brown are party thugs.
Adam is on a unique path. Newness can be difficult to accept particularly by the surprisingly conservative music industry and gay establishment.
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Most male solo artists have fanbases dominated by women -- not just Adam. Many bands have audiences dominated by men. Was the the same way in the 1940's with Frank Sinatra and Glenn Miller. Ever been to a Justin Bieber concert? Or to a George Michael concert when he was in his prime? Or to a Bowie concert in the 1970's. Girls-girls-girls.
The big exception seems to be female pop and dance divas -- their audiences always seems to include a large percentage of gay men.
Setting aside the divas, I wonder if this has more to do with gender preferences rather than sexual orientation?
I have been to a lot of Adam concerts -- most audiences has a lot of clearly gay Adam fans (from older couples to the packs of young men in leather in NY, NoLa and Knoxville) -- my only exceptions were for GNT Tunica, Mississippi and Las Vegas, Nevada. (These were both destination concerts in gambling areas and a bit different.) I am sure there were other concerts with not so many gay fans but Adam has a lot of gay fans. I saw them at concert after concert.
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What Adam seems to have lacked is support from the gay media and from the music press -- but that is changing too.
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I am convinced that many (not all) of the hateful comments posted on gay sites during Idol were not posted by gay men by posted by haters disguised as digital gay men.
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Finally, there is no "gay community". The term is used a lot but it does not exist. This is a diverse group of people with little in common except for sexual orientation. There is not universal agreement on Gay Marriage within the gay community -- so is it reasonable to think there would be any agree on music, fashion/style, attitudes, etc.
ETA one more thought: I think for many music writers, the say things like under appreciated when they mean, "Why didn't he sell more music?"
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The question and the responses in the thread triggered a few thoughts -- just based on my own observations.
----
I think the Idol path (which was Adam's only realistic path to a major label contract) is his biggest challenge. It makes him "uncool" to some people (my 22-year old son and his friends). At the same time, much of the Idol audience has conservative music taste and seems to skew toward Country and traditional pop-rock music. Adam is "too edgy-gay-non-Christian-etc." for many Idol fans.
My hope is that since Idol is 3 years ago, Adam can start to be judged (and appreciated) independently of being on a "cheesy talent show". (Cheesy used in a loving way because this show gave us Adam Lambert.)
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The second challenge is where are all the Divos?
Pop soloists seem to be either male "heartthrobs" or female "divas" or "party thugs". Bruno and Bieber are heartthrobs, Pittbull and Chris Brown are party thugs.
Adam is on a unique path. Newness can be difficult to accept particularly by the surprisingly conservative music industry and gay establishment.
----
Most male solo artists have fanbases dominated by women -- not just Adam. Many bands have audiences dominated by men. Was the the same way in the 1940's with Frank Sinatra and Glenn Miller. Ever been to a Justin Bieber concert? Or to a George Michael concert when he was in his prime? Or to a Bowie concert in the 1970's. Girls-girls-girls.
The big exception seems to be female pop and dance divas -- their audiences always seems to include a large percentage of gay men.
Setting aside the divas, I wonder if this has more to do with gender preferences rather than sexual orientation?
I have been to a lot of Adam concerts -- most audiences has a lot of clearly gay Adam fans (from older couples to the packs of young men in leather in NY, NoLa and Knoxville) -- my only exceptions were for GNT Tunica, Mississippi and Las Vegas, Nevada. (These were both destination concerts in gambling areas and a bit different.) I am sure there were other concerts with not so many gay fans but Adam has a lot of gay fans. I saw them at concert after concert.
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What Adam seems to have lacked is support from the gay media and from the music press -- but that is changing too.
-----
I am convinced that many (not all) of the hateful comments posted on gay sites during Idol were not posted by gay men by posted by haters disguised as digital gay men.
----
Finally, there is no "gay community". The term is used a lot but it does not exist. This is a diverse group of people with little in common except for sexual orientation. There is not universal agreement on Gay Marriage within the gay community -- so is it reasonable to think there would be any agree on music, fashion/style, attitudes, etc.
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