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Post by seoulmate on Nov 30, 2012 18:57:34 GMT -5
Oh My Gosh. I was going to say "no, I don't want an Adam name". But what about Shady? Hubby never needs to know.............. OMG I LOVE THE NAME SHADY FOR YOUR PUPPY!!!! :wub: :wub: :wub: |
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Post by seoulmate on Nov 30, 2012 18:59:22 GMT -5
This is really funny. I told you guys that hubby wanted to wait to get a dog. He even said that on the way to pick her up and we almost turned around. Also, we had to choose between two females which was tough since they are both beautiful. So a few minutes ago I called him with a few name suggestions. He says "you wanna go get the other one?". I thought he was kidding, but said I would love that while laughing. He said "we should make him an offer for the other one". I was speechless. Who knows - we might be picking up little one's sister later. See what a little sweet puppy can do to a person. I'll keep you guys posted. Men will always be a mystery to me. If I made that suggestion, he would have thought I was nuts. OMG OMG OMG... TWO PUPPIES??? TWO LITTLE SISTERS???? OMG OMG!!!! :Clap: :Clap: :Clap:  |
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Post by nikki on Nov 30, 2012 19:06:48 GMT -5
Don't we all suffer pain willingly? I have children. I have tattoos. I have scars. I regret nothing....... and I am of your generation. The pain is freeing and fleeting. It has given me gifts. All are works of art that I wear proudly. I have travelled the world. I have broken records and won medals. I have painted and sculpted. I have sung on stage and heard applause. I have fallen in love and given birth. I have lived. Pain is easily forgotten. It is not what remains. Of course many things in life are worth it, that was the intent of my post, to make sure they are, and why. Everyone has different answers to this and some of the conversation was around limits to self-expression, not avoiding living a full life through fear of pain. Perhaps one of the reasons we arrive at different conclusions is because I believe that what remains is not the only important thing, but that it all counts, how we get there included, fleeting or not. |
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Post by midwifespal on Nov 30, 2012 19:36:45 GMT -5
Oh, sugaree. Puppies. PUPPIES! [img src=" ![]() i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/Quu3/Adam%20Smilys/Other%20Smileys/wub.gif"][/IMG] Junie, PM'd you re: gracklemerch! And for the rest of you, here's a glimpse into Austin's gracklemania--this is what it's like around much of downtown at dusk: (bizarrely, I just realized I know one of the two dudes in this video. haven't seen him in years. internet. weird  ). nikki--I understand where you're coming from. I had to smile when you wrote that "our bodies are gifts from our parents" because I've said something very similar in the past to explain to friends why I was hesitant to get a tattoo despite kind of wanting one, and they looked at me like I was nuts. But I think my dad might cry, and I've never seen him cry! When I was younger, and all the girls my age were piercing their ears, I refused to on principle (it's important to take a stand on things that matter :  because I thought there was something disturbing about putting holes in oneself for beauty. But I see things differently now. Some people are genuinely indifferent to external things and physical vanities and questions of style in a way that really does strike me as quite noble. It is certainly swimming against the stream in our culture, and there is much that is superficial about fashion and beauty. But there are many people, our Adam among them, who use how they present themselves as a kind of language--a complex language rich with cultural references and quotations and echos and composed of both stark and gentle phrases, just like any verbal language--and I'm not sure why we should value beauty in that language less than we do in other kinds of language. I don't know--it's a tough one. I certainly find people who make extreme choices to express things through their visual presentation of themselves pretty fascinating, but I'm sure part of that fascination is just another part of our cultures obsession with surfaces. But there's more to it, too--there's of course a whole cultural history of ways people communicated through style and visual presentation (a rich one, for example, in the gay community when communication was more circumspect by necessity). In any case, I love how articulate Adam is with his visual choices, just as he is with his verbal ones. (Today was just another example of that--whew, I had trouble, I confess, keeping up with what he was saying!) I might not get a tattoo but after all these years I still haven't pierced my ears, and after I recently mentioned that I kind of wanted to my sister gave me some lovely earrings to encourage me. She called them "aspirational earrings." (btw, nikki, speaking of beautiful people, I still owe you a thank you for the beautiful photo you left for me of you and adam a while back. Yeah, if being next to Adam made me look like that, maybe I wouldn't be so embarrassed to meet him :D) |
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Post by nikki on Dec 1, 2012 5:58:18 GMT -5
midwifespal, thank you. Very much. When I finished reading your post, this is what came to mind about you: “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” ― Aristotle, MetaphysicsIt is truly lovely to talk to someone in that freedom. You made me smile as well; I got my ears pierced at 18 after 6 years of principled resistance. What got me over the line was a gift from my first and clueless boyfriend, who didn't understand that some earrings were for pierced ears only. So I put two holes in my ears for love. My late teens up to my mid-twenties were spent rebelling against everything and wanting to explore everything else. My politics were so far to the left that they almost defied a category. Half my head was shaved, coloured bright pink. It was all fuelled by a mixture of idealism that has taken me a long time to moderate and channel and other work that I needed to do on myself (a very long list). But the real driver was that I found my relative truths deeply unsatisfying. So, if I had to describe my journey using Adam's vocal language, Chokehold and Underneath would cover off my earlier years, then Trespassing and now, Map. To get to "Map" meant actively dissolving boundaries for more than 20 years, with someone who would definitely qualify for your category of "noble". In one meditation, my consciousness was outside where I was sitting, simply looking at my body and being flooded with realisations. Mahailia described the feeling beautifully, all I can say is that this type of bell cannot be un-rung. I go to absolutes very readily in a world that doesn't particularly appreciate them, and I sometimes need to get my ass back on the ground :  . So yes, I very much appreciate your fascination with the complexity and beauty that Adam is presenting and communicating. You're quite right, though, that I simply value it less in that form. Thank you also for your sweet compliment. It is very easy to return. There is a beautiful lack of vanity in your eloquence for someone so gifted (like Adam). I never lose the sense of you or the wonderful perceptions that drive your words; they're just like a stream of word-joy. There are many people who have misgivings about meeting Adam for any number of reasons. It felt bizarre that I would pay $150 to meet someone for a couple of minutes. So, I posted the picture as encouragement, because all my objections vanished as soon as I was in the same room with him. He genuinely likes to meet us. And I do hope those earrings become more than aspirational. Proof of you wearing them would be good. ;D Junie, :wub: I really loved the video. It reminded me of playing Mouse Trap as a child. And I was glad to see that no hamsters were harmed in the making.
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Post by lynne on Dec 1, 2012 19:59:54 GMT -5
midwifespalI did cry when my son got his very large shoulder tattoo. It was a big statement in his life. He designed it himself, made it about his passion, music, found the "best" tattoo artist in L.A, talked to several 50 and 60 year old mentors at Berklee School of Music about how they felt aging with their tattoos, and then made a decision for himself and boldly went where no man (in our family) had ever gone before. I had no choice but to follow. In doing so, I discovered I still loved my son, lol, still thought he was beautiful, still loved his creative mind and spirit and still loved our relationship. The ink marked the beginning of a paradigm shift for me that has led to very sweet relationships with my adult children. It helped me realize that my children were raised, and somehow rather well in spite all of my personal failings, lol, and that my job is now just to enjoy whatever parts of themselves they choose to share with me and express that enjoyment and love whenever I feel it. Like Adam, my children are constantly surprising, and as with Adam, I like that. They have taught me to be adaptive, lol, and I value those lessons. Thankfully, I am not in charge of my children anymore and that feels pretty wonderful and freeing, for them as well as for me, Im sure, lol. I currently spend my energy concentrating more on being in charge of me. Ironically, I love my son's tattoo now; it is part of him and I see the fit. It has been eight years and today I can't imagine him without it. Its base is a swirling keyboard, and that plays well in my life these days. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 1:11:23 GMT -5
nikki, mwp, lynne, Your posts finally led me to one of my favorite quotes. It's from the play/movie "The Best Man," an underrated drama about presidential politics by Gore Vidal. If you ever get the chance to catch the movie, with Henry Fonda and Cliff Robertson, it's worth the time. The characters start out at far extremities, cross, and then end up at opposite positions again. The play is about tension and pressure and how to react to it. Many of the best lines go to a character of the elderly, profanely funny former president. At the end he turns serious and offers a bit of wisdom, untaken, to a younger man: There are no ends. Only means.  art by ariisu9
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Post by nikki on Dec 2, 2012 3:10:59 GMT -5
lynne, what a beautiful post and Junie, I haven't seen that movie, but I'll watch it, hopefully in the next couple of days. New beginnings are special, so in your new job, whatever you are expecting and hoping for, I wish you more. Joining this site, I never expected that so many lovely people would become part of the fabric of my life. The photo of the starling I posted a few pages back was sent to me by my nature-loving father. And I immediately thought annala might like to see it. Today, I saw a black schnauzer puppy, "Snoopy" at the dog park, and I thought of sugaree and her happiness. The thought of Adam performing for 2 billion people, which his talent so richly deserves ....  And midwifespal, I'm still mulling over your post ... a quick few things .... on meeting Adam (a topic I love, of course) you'll find yourself in rare company - a man of his word. Jewellery. My sister, who died recently (it's nearly two years, but it is really only moments to me) had a vast collection. And it was entirely appropriate that she did. She was venusian, a woman of stature, luscious. Over the years she bought me some exquisite pieces, and she left me many others. Wearing them completes the intention. Tattoos. I am very visual and I realised that I associate them with graffiti, despite their real presentation and meaning. Tatoo = Body graffiti. Especially the sleeves. And graffiti = anger to me - instant aversion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 7:48:52 GMT -5
nikki, what you wrote about graffitti hit the nail on the head. When I was growing up, that was the context I absorbed for tattoos. Pierced ears and dyed hair, yes, but tattoos were for motorcycle gangs. Still carrying around those assumptions without realizing it! For Adam and hoping he is on his way home:  Susan Dworski |
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Post by mika on Dec 3, 2012 18:02:03 GMT -5
As I'm being modded elsewhere... For more on the dangerous topic of 'too gay dancing' -- you may remember this interview by the gorgeous, delightful Jian Ghomeshi that started with discussion of SYTYCD criticism of a same sex performance and then ended with speculation about Adam and his reasons for not being 'out' (it was between end of Idol and Rolling Stone). I remember finding it slightly shocking but Interesting that Rex (a gay dancer and activist) doesn't like what he calls effeminate dancing from (I think he would say) a purely aesthetic point of view. One wonders if his aesthetics are not influenced by culture - like everyone else's - or if he may have a legitimate point of taste. I dunno....another interesting intersection of gender and sexuality. (I can't really be critical of Rex === he's clearly a big Adam fan - I always enjoy the echo of outrage over the Idol outcome even after all these years ... slipping away quickly... |
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