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Post by anjalee on Jul 24, 2012 7:20:03 GMT -5
Hallo people of the luna lane!
How is it going here? I working fulltime and trying to keep up with friends and spirituality and still get a full nights sleep, but it would be a rare day when i dont look at whats happening with Adam, and moongarden is a nice quiet (but not really quiet - quite subversive!) place to visit. So what is happening with Adam-la?
I'm fascinated he called the VIPs out. Boy has no time for VIPs like that. He's into CONNECTING.
Love dat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 9:37:41 GMT -5
Juniemoon, how's that Adam cleanse going? Are you being strong enough  asked about the Adam cleanse and so here is an update. I am entering my 5th full day of my Adam blackout. I have stuck by my resolve. The only place I have visited regularly is the Moon Garden. I was on the daily news thread only once, to read mika's post calling out apologists for the "limp-wristed" comment. I was strong and clicked away after even though I saw there were videos.  I haven't read AQD. I haven't visited ALFC except to post a birthday greeting for one of my friends. I haven't tweeted except to reply to a friend who tweeted me a greeting from Fantasy Springs. I'm happy with the results so far. I don't know a thing about the set list, what Adam wore, how he chose to present the songs ... all the "surprises" that I want to keep fresh for the show. All I really know from you guys is that it seems Adam was the HBIC and called out the high-rollers who were sitting on their hands. About that ... one thing that really struck me about the Queen shows (and most of the Glam Nation shows) is just to realize how much the audience is the co-creator of the performance. Adam is incredibly tuned in to the energy coming back from the audience (he even got a tattoo to honor it). I think one reason that Adam's fans (and Queen's) are so loyal and devoted is because they find spiritual needs are being met at the concerts. anjalee, if you have time I would love to know what you thought (and anyone else too). This experience cannot be mass produced and maybe that is part of the frustration Adam is meeting with in trying to break through to a mass pop audience. Maybe it is an experience that happens on almost a person-to-person basis? We all have our individual needs, desires, expectations, and reasons for being there. I never really understood what drew people to, say, The Grateful Dead, until witnessing this phenomenon with Adam. Adam seems to be able to draw our stories from us by the way we react to him. But in a part of the audience he was faced with people not "in the know." People holding back from emotional engagement; maybe viewing his performance like a TV show. People who did not want to tell Adam their stories. I'll be interested to see if there are VIPs at the Thackerville casino and if the same thing happens. I understand there are still a number of unsold seats in the back. I wish there was some way to bus in a bunch of out youth to fill up those seats. Wouldn't that be fantastically fun for everyone? Other than that, all I know is that he sang Pop That Lock and that the divas danced, and that just whets my appetite. ;D Overall the experience of the Adam cleanse reminds me of being a fan in the old pre-Internet days when it was just me. I have my existing pictures and my videos and mostly just my own thoughts. I do miss knowing what's going on with Adam and look forward to not being so strict with myself in a few days. But, I find I don't miss the daily stream of knee-jerk reactions and want to learn something from that as well. It's nice to go into the concerts not knowing whether Adam is wearing some article of clothing of which "everyone" disapproves, or what crimes the divas or some other band member might have committed, etc. My sister asked me yesterday, "So what would you do if we show up and Adam has grown back his goatee or gotten hair extensions again?" I thought about it for a minute and said, "Well, what could I do? Just have a good time!"  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 15:47:14 GMT -5
Here is an OT-but-not-really story from Roll Call, the newspaper of Capitol Hill. Some good news for a change: Sexual Orientation 'Nonissue' on Campaign Trail: www.rollcall.com/issues/58_10/Orientation-Nonissue-on-Trail-216369-1.html?pos=hftxtThis story discuss the record number of openly gay candidates running for Congress across the country. Excerpt: The presence of so many openly gay candidates on the trail this year, including a Republican, is emblematic of the watershed cultural shift that has occurred in Americans’ views of gay people and gay marriage during the past few years.
In 2004, Republicans used ballot initiatives against gay marriage as a wedge issue. Then, 54 percent of Americans believed gay and lesbian relationships were “morally wrong,” according to Gallup polling data. Today, the majority of Americans not only believe that gay and lesbian relationships are “morally acceptable” but that gay marriage should be legal.
Pollsters have been amazed by the speed with which acceptance of gay relationships and gay marriage has grown across most demographic groups.
“Attitudes toward gays in general, toward gay rights, toward gay marriage are all evolving at a much faster rate than really any other issue that we’ve seen in the history in polling “ influential Democratic pollster Mark Mellman said.Faster, please. |
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Post by Alison on Jul 25, 2012 8:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 11:12:27 GMT -5
Alison, I love Jon Stewart. How can he make outrage so funny?  While everything that’s said may be forgotten there’s something that connects us like a river It’s a beautiful thing, yes it is It’s a thing that gives me hope just to live Somebody’s looking for their voice in an open window with their supper on the stove… - Steven Jesse Bernstein, "A Hope to Live" |
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Post by mszue on Jul 25, 2012 11:46:17 GMT -5
RANT COMING....ignore if you wish :-) frecklessexual, just a few days, defended some reporter/blogger calling Adam [pejoratively] "limp-wristed" because....by claiming that, well, he was rather limp-wristed.....but now is attacking Swarm for saying Adam is effeminate. We all try at times but really, none of us can have our cake and eat it to, and I felt a rant coming on :-) I am putting it here because I think my point would likely be not recognized by many and I don't feel like getting into a brawl over there...a serious discussion is far more interesting and productive imo...... This is swarm's post...if you wish to read it...[here's looking at you Juniemoon..hehe atop.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=daily&action=display&thread=1036&page=20Here is freckles retort..... atop.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=daily&action=display&thread=1038&page=4But the main point to be argued here is not whether Adam is effeminate or not...it is why do we consider being effeminate a negative thing....it is fem/woman hate of the first order [and self-hate if you are a woman] to automatically buy in to the sense that being feminine or effeminate is a weak and 'lesser' state of being. We have had this discussion numerous times but usually over the glorification of Adam as HBIC when he is doing his 'macho-drag' thing on stage...fist pumping, calling others out, kicking out security, etc.... Swarm was very rightly calling this misogyny....WHEN CALLING SOMEONE FEMININE IS AN INSULT THEN THE INSULT IS FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST BEING FEMININE...not against the man, per se. THE INSULT IS TO WOMEN....do not be victims of a false consciousness.... The term 'limp-wristed' on the other hand, is used as a direct insult to gay men...it is not used or directed at women, so while there is an inferred slur against effeminacy, it is known and understood as a critique of gay men...therefore can legitimately be claimed as homophobic, or at the very least, insulting, ignorant pulpit-bullying. I suspect Adam's natural, among friends way of being is far more feminine than most of us experientially know. When Adam feels comfortable and understood by his fans, his performance becomes more natural and he feels free to show more and more of this feminine side...with his dancing and his verbal spatting...this is his courage and "balls"...not when he stomps about fist pumping... [goddess I hate that term as a synonym for courage....evidence of the patriarchal and misogynist nature of our language too...you don't 'grow a pair of boobs or ovaries'..least it is not a compliment if you do] It outrages me when people [men or women] are put down and ridiculed for being feminine...I am a very feminine small woman [albeit not so small any more :-( ] and for years was that blonde hairdresser...now there is a stereotype for you. When I applied to be admitted to University, I was given a 3 hour written test to determine if I could 'do the work'. When let into the hr/psychologist office where the cards were fed into the machine, the middle aged man put the cards through 3 times before acknowledging that I could not only be admitted, but could enter any program I wished. He saw my look at his constant re-submission of the cards and said he was surprised at the result because my scores were very close on all three of the skills tested. Seriously??? no...he just could not believe that a little blonde, make-up wearing, trendy little hairdresser could also have a brain!!!!! He would not have put those cards through like that for even a little blonde trendy man....which means that we really need to recognize the origin of the 'effeminacy slander and refuse to buy into it... IMO we can and should praise Adam for his courage and tenacity, talent and intelligence. We should not be praising him for having "balls" or being macho...that is ultimately an insult to us. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING FEMININE!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 14:20:17 GMT -5
Mszue, what an epic rant and so on target. The reality is that in our society, to call a man effeminate -- that is, “like a woman” -- is still a dire insult. The question is where do we go with that fact? Some fans lecture on an almost daily basis that we must accept these realities -- sexism and ageism and homophobia. In fact, that fans who refuse to accept these realities are somehow problems for Adam.  The problem is that another reality is that Adam IS effeminate, and not just because he wears makeup. He has many traits that, because masculinity is narrowly defined in our society, are "branded" as feminine. Here are just a few: He listens closely to other people. He doesn’t use his height and size to dominate others. He’s creative. He shows his feelings. He giggles with delight, he lets tears stream down his face. He is intensely sensual; some commentator on the Queen concerts said Adam was voluptuous and compared him favorably with Elizabeth Taylor? Lustrous, sultry, bawdy, courting the gaze of the male eye …  These are all traits that violate the status quo “Man Code” that Brad Paisley espouses in his song. They are the defining traits that make BB Adam Lambert and not, say, Adam Levine. For whatever reason, there are still women out there who take it upon themselves to defend the status quo. As celebrated by Paisley’s song, the status quo is a force for sexual violation and spirit-killing conformity. I would never argue that Paisley is a violent person or that he has bad intentions. He seems very nice, actually. But the defensive posturing is both dumb and obvious. His song lacks either the good cheer of old Elvis songs like “Shake Rattle and Roll” or “US Male” or the self-deprecating foolishness of 1984’s “Where’s the Dress,” which I was recently reminded of: “Where’s the Dress” was an “answer song” to the success of Boy George and Culture Club, and what strikes me about it all these years later isn’t the outdated “limp-wrist” humor, but the lack of any real malice on the part of the “Moe and Joe” characters – plus the fact that there was a gay, effeminate man on the radio for them to react against in the first place. In this respect we have actually gone backwards. When I was a high school student listening to Boy George and Cyndi Lauper and Wham, and also chuckling at Moe and Joe’s jibes – well, their routine just seemed like a funny stepping stone towards acceptance of the new reality. I never could have dreamed that 30 years later a fantastically sexy and talented gay singer would be struggling to win acceptance. Even, sometimes, from his own fans struggling with their own internalized beliefs. I don't have these old references, but didn’t Adam once say that he was more gay than you could ever imagine? Didn’t he say on his MySpace page that he was the “son and the daughter” of his influences? A Russian fan called Adam “Rambo” when he took off his jacket and showed his beautiful arms. Anybody who can encapsulate Rambo and Elizabeth Taylor in the same delightful body is a pretty special person. Adam’s androgyny should be celebrated, not denied. For female fans, denying that Adam's feminine beauty is important, or even that it exists, is erasing ourselves too. My 2 cents.
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Post by melliemom on Jul 25, 2012 14:44:16 GMT -5
In my opinion ,there is a total disconnect with the view point that women are the weaker sex and that any man who shows feminine qualities,is weak and womanly.
From my experience, women are the stronger sex ,We have to manage more than many men could ever even imagine doing. We are the caregivers to children, to older parents and yes to our men,while many of us still hold full time jobs. I know in my circle of friends, there isn't one man/husband who can manage to describe an illness to a doctor,who can figure out why his boss is screwing with his brain,how to shop or cook a meal or even pick up a thing at the grocery store without getting it wrong&That's the everyday easy stuff.
Now for the hard stuff,there are more women graduating from college than men,more women in the olympics for the first time,more women running for office,more women doctors ,more women working than ever before, and more single women who have to do it all than ever before.
IMHO as much as I love men,It's my girlfriends who can figure out life and living . It's taken me a divorce and being in the single life,before my remarriage ,to discover the ability and courage that the' Fairer' sex has,while some single men for the most part were lost in all ways.
I wish most men were able to allow themselves to think and act more like women.. I think it would do them and us a world of good while helping the planet to survive.
So Kudos to all the men ,especially Adam ,who feel free and safe enough to show their feminine side.I respect them for their courage and I love them for their inner/outer beauty. I can't think of anything better than being both masculine and feminine Yin/Yang in one soul. Just had to vent a bit.. Carry on....
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Post by Alison on Jul 25, 2012 15:24:18 GMT -5
Mellie, I think you might be selling most men short. There surely are ones that fall into the category of those described in Paisley's song or the inept father/husband portrayed in most sitcoms. Most of the men I know are extremely capable in all areas of life. My husband is an example--he taught me to cook, do laundry, etc--he is an extremely openminded and sensitive person and is probably better at parenting than me. I think this representation is unfair and stereotypical to men in general. Misogyny is very real, but lumping all men into one category doesn't help or change matters either.
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Post by mszue on Jul 25, 2012 15:26:52 GMT -5
So good to be in this thread....junie...I think I need to follow your lead and vacate the main thread...or at least limit my contact with it. I literally weep for how far we have not come, as women, and one of the fronts we need to push is the gender stereotyping rampant in our culture. Loving and supporting courageous individuals like Adam...or Ellen, or Rachel, or Andrew, or Chely...the list goes on...is one of the ways we can try to make a difference. Calling out prejudice and/or simple ignorance is another. Just as bullying is being outed for what it really is, we need to be vigilant. We must not accept veiled accusations of Political Correctness...most criers of PC are just trying to silent criticism.
Silence never garner's respect...at best, it just means you don't get heard and your needs/concerns don't make it to the table.
I think I need to take a break and go clean my apt or something!!! good grief...did I really, really say that...what is my life coming to.....hahaha
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I haven't read AQD. I haven't visited ALFC except to post a birthday greeting for one of my friends. I haven't tweeted except to reply to a friend who tweeted me a greeting from Fantasy Springs. 
