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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 15:39:27 GMT -5
RANT COMING....ignore if you wish :-) frecklessexual, just a few days, defended some reporter/blogger calling Adam [pejoratively] "limp-wristed" because....by claiming that, well, he was rather limp-wristed..... just to clarify...I did not defend the reviewer who called Adam limp wristed...I said he should have chosen his words better but the description of the performance itself wasn't inaccurate because Adam was decidedly more flamboyant than usual I did not attack swarm...I asked him what he saw in Adam that was effeminate. If you had PMd me I would have been happy to have an interesting and productive discussion with you and we might have found a way to meet in the middle. Instead you came over here and ranted about me behind my back to other members of this board. I wasn't aware that this thread was intended to rant about other members  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 16:08:05 GMT -5
Here is something I found relevant to our discussion this afternoon:  Photographer: CheesySteele It is a rose of course, but what a rose. All aspects of the plant are beautiful -- even those usually overlooked.  |
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Post by melliemom on Jul 25, 2012 16:15:56 GMT -5
Mellie, I think you might be selling most men short. There surely are ones that fall into the category of those described in Paisley's song or the inept father/husband portrayed in most sitcoms. Most of the men I know are extremely capable in all areas of life. My husband is an example--he taught me to cook, do laundry, etc--he is an extremely openminded and sensitive person and is probably better at parenting than me. I think this representation is unfair and stereotypical to men in general. Misogyny is very real, but lumping all men into one category doesn't help or change matters either. Good point. I changed it to many & then some MEN. Maybe I'm from a different generation.. Many of the younger men are different and more giving and more capable than some of the guys who are over 60. But there I go generalizing again. Two of my sons-in law are very nurturing and helpful,but still can't make decisions. Oh well It's my rant.. LOL  |
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Post by Alison on Jul 25, 2012 16:21:08 GMT -5
Beautiful, Junie  . It's probably a good idea that you are staying away from the news thread. It is intense today. I just posted this old TED video over there that you may appreciate. It is about the moral mind and how it relates to group behavior, politics, etc. If only we could all pull ourselves out of our moral matrix. Jonathan Haidt ETA: Mellie, you are probably right about the generational differences, and that really is a wonderful thing. |
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Post by melliemom on Jul 25, 2012 16:38:49 GMT -5
Beautiful, Junie . It's probably a good idea that you are staying away from the news thread. It is intense today. I just posted this old TED video over there that you may appreciate. It is about the moral mind and how it relates to group behavior, politics, etc. If only we could all pull ourselves out of our moral matrix. Jonathan Haidt ETA: Mellie, you are probably right about the generational differences, and that really is a wonderful thing. You are so right about intense on the news thread. All kinds of carrying on about Paisley, a country singer , who got mentioned once in a blog in reference to being an idol judge. The defenders against the WTHers.The discussion went on almost all day. This for someone who probably isn't even a contender. Oh I just kept my distance and quickly looked for news about Adam. |
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Post by annala on Jul 25, 2012 17:28:28 GMT -5
Because of all the intensity on the main thread that has somewhat spilled over here, I was going to keep quiet today - but with your beautiful rose picture, Junie, I thought I'll come here anyway. There have been many thoughtful and varied comments and feelings today, but here is something of my take - and I wanted to bring this back to Adam.
The first time I saw Adam live, I was not only taken by his voice and showmanship, but also this mix of masculine/feminine intertwined in one person. At the time I described it as "beautiful gayness". This was Gridlock, his first gig after the AMA's and subsequent blackballing, and he was playing to his hometown audience without any TV cameras, only grainy fan videos, and probably feeling free just to be himself. My son and I saw something of this again at Costa Mesa where my son remarked that Adam was letting his "gay" come out more - and I'm sure that those who were at Fantasy Springs may have seen this as well.
Adam is a beautiful androgynous man, and here is where his strength lies. I hope he continues to feel free to perform and express himself as he truly is; he is courageous and does have "balls of steel". He may have a longer and more varied journey to lasting success, but he will make it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 18:38:55 GMT -5
You know what else strikes me is the human tendency to dwell on the negative. I don't exempt myself. But mellie's comment reminded me of trying to start a discussion on ALFC about Ronnie Dunn's great song supporting tolerance, "Bleed Red."
I'm from Texas; I LOVE country music. It's diverse and wonderful. But no one wanted to talk about this song by one of the biggest names in country. It didn't fit their preconceived narrative, I guess.
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Post by Alison on Jul 25, 2012 18:53:59 GMT -5
I appreciate country music too--the sentiment of this Ronnie Dunn song reminds me a lot of OOL, particularly the reference to everyone feeling the rain.
For those taking a respite, I offer this MUST see WWTLF from London 3. A very talented person merged the best visuals with the best audio. Perfection!!
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Post by anjalee on Jul 25, 2012 20:49:10 GMT -5
Because of all the intensity on the main thread that has somewhat spilled over here, I was going to keep quiet today - but with your beautiful rose picture, Junie, I thought I'll come here anyway. There have been many thoughtful and varied comments and feelings today, but here is something of my take - and I wanted to bring this back to Adam. The first time I saw Adam live, I was not only taken by his voice and showmanship, but also this mix of masculine/feminine intertwined in one person. At the time I described it as "beautiful gayness". This was Gridlock, his first gig after the AMA's and subsequent blackballing, and he was playing to his hometown audience without any TV cameras, only grainy fan videos, and probably feeling free just to be himself. My son and I saw something of this again at Costa Mesa where my son remarked that Adam was letting his "gay" come out more - and I'm sure that those who were at Fantasy Springs may have seen this as well. Adam is a beautiful androgynous man, and here is where his strength lies. I hope he continues to feel free to perform and express himself as he truly is; he is courageous and does have "balls of steel". He may have a longer and more varied journey to lasting success, but he will make it. Annala, the masculine and the feminine has been one of my favourite subjects for many years. We are going through interesting times in seeking equality and equal respect for women, and in the new age movement, rediscovering energies that are called masculine and feminine - though these are loaded and polarising terms so sometimes i wonder if terms like yin and yang are better. So i was blown away to discover Adam who I think is very highly evolved in many ways. i find he shifts from a masculine to a feminine identity like quicksilver. And this is something that they teach in the spiritual lineage I work with. It was a delight to see someone in the public eye being able to demonstrate it. I have been wondering if this is what confuses and puts off many people. Its something new. paradoxical and confusing for them. complex. Androgyny in the past has often referred to more of a...simultaneous mix between the two at the same time - like that beautiful Australian male model Andrej ? or annie lennox or david bowie. But i remember my mother doing a study of androgyny back in the 1980s (she works in gender studies) and there was a study done in the 70s that suggested 4 basic mixes that people exhibit: highly feminine highly masculine low feminine/low masculine high feminine/high masculine I was a kid back then but even then i remeber that she said the study concluded that the fourth situation led to the most fulfilled and happy people. Perhaps a clue to the desirability of being able to shift from strong fem to strong masc and back. I think of Adam as something new a fluid human who shifts between the two poles with lightning speed. Its truly awesome to me. |
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Post by sugaree on Jul 26, 2012 9:11:11 GMT -5
WOW! junie, thanks for that Ronnie Dunn song. Never heard it before. I also love country music - but don't much about what's current because I'm stuck in NY with no country radio, etc. Where did he sing that? An awards show? Where was Kix? Now I'm gonna have to dig out those country cd's. Think I'll start out with some Merle............................I love the fact that he's still out there performing. I saw him with Ray Price and Willie not too long ago. They have all still got it.
Country haters, cover your ears ;D For you junie. One of my very favorite Willie penned songs. Love BB King's version too.
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