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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 19, 2011 22:14:17 GMT -5
This is very loosely related to a video that mariep posted earlier this evening. She posted a video of Adam playing with a towel during a performance of Music Again. I agree, he can be playful with a towel, I don't know what makes something campy. But I'll take her word on this being an example of camp. The towel play made me think of a performance during the AI8 tour (Oakland), during Adam and Allison's performance of "Slow Ride" , Adam used a towel to dry the stage. This image has always stuck with me as an example of who I think he is as a person. Attentive, protective and focused. More than that, I think it is a hoot to see him drying the stage while performing in front of thousands, working it into the act and not missing one note. Perfection!!  I'd embed the video if I knew how. Here's the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9TS8kQfdqA I hope the video doesn't load as slow for you as I did for me. Action starts at about :42. Good point, wiga!! As marie and I were discussing the Japan performance on Twitter I watched it a couple more times, and my hunch was the second time he picked up the towel, my first thought was that he was doing it to protect anyone else from slipping on it. He is very experienced with stage production, so that doesn't surprise me that he would think to do this. He was always protective of the dancers and dissuaded anyone from throwing anything on stage when they were performing. Because he has so much theater training, he is extremely aware of every detail about what is happening on that stage – the same way a director needs to examine every last detail of the frame before he begins to roll film. |
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Post by Jablea on Mar 19, 2011 22:14:23 GMT -5
My idea on less camp is more Sleepwalker and less Down the Rabbit Hole.
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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2011 22:15:08 GMT -5
I've been gone most of the day and I see how have lots of news to catch up on. I wanted to ask if anyone has the mp4's for Enter Sandman in New Zealand for Tommy's birthday and the one from Milan, Italy where Adam was telling the girls who were fighting to hug each other...I think it was in IIHY? I asked earlier but I haven't had a chance to read the thread. Thanks!
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Post by midwifespal on Mar 19, 2011 22:18:17 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm not on board with equating gay and campy. To me, less campy doesn't mean less gay - it just means less campy. Same with theatrical. Because not every gay performer is campy, not every campy performer is gay. To me, it just doesn't make sense when gay is used to mean anything other than sexually attracted to the same sex. Everything else (campiness, theatricality) is like make-up or costumes - anyone can wear it, try it, play with it, put it on, take it off, etc. etc. If Adam chooses to sing something brutally heartfelt and utterly un-campy about love, he's not any less gay. My true feeling, said with love. This is definitely true, and I certainly was not (or wasn't intending to) equating gay and campy. Gay is an extremely broad adjective that, as you say, includes anything and everything under the banner of being attracted to the same sex. Campy, however, is a much narrower adjective, and one element of "campy" is that it is related to "gay." There can certainly be--there certainly are--many campy performers who are not gay, but never the less "camp" is intricately bound up with gay artistic culture--always has been. Look up camp in any dictionary and I'm fairly confident there will be some reference to sexuality, and explicitly gayness. That's not a stereotype--it is like saying "hip-hop" is an african-american style of music, even though it can be practiced by non-african-americans, and even though many african americans aren't into hip-hop. I have no problem with identifying certain artistic tropes with certain cultural movements--that's not stereotyping--that's cultural diversity, and its a beautiful thing. Gay doesn't have to be "just like everyone else" (not saying you're saying it does), just so long as it CAN be "just like everyone else." JMHO. (Also, I made sure to say that I DON'T think a more "natural" Adam 2 would be a denial of his sexuality in any way.) |
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Post by mika on Mar 19, 2011 22:18:50 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm not on board with equating gay and campy. To me, less campy doesn't mean less gay - it just means less campy. Same with theatrical. Because not every gay performer is campy, not every campy performer is gay. To me, it just doesn't make sense when gay is used to mean anything other than sexually attracted to the same sex. Everything else (campiness, theatricality) is like make-up or costumes - anyone can wear it, try it, play with it, put it on, take it off, etc. etc. If Adam chooses to sing something brutally heartfelt and utterly un-campy about love, he's not any less gay. My true feeling, said with love. Thanks for this, Bridget. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 22:19:26 GMT -5
My idea on less camp is more Sleepwalker and less Down the Rabbit Hole.  (Although, to me, Sleepwlaker, as performed on the tour, was kind of campy (very theatrical.) |
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Post by irish1139 on Mar 19, 2011 22:21:12 GMT -5
I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that dufus that tried to say that campy means gay. I wanted to leave a few messages for him, but I knew everyone would know exactly who and what he was when they read that statement. See what I mean when I say that the human race is just not evolving. We have incredible brain power on this planet yet most of the population of the planet act like dolts. What is holding everyone back from enlightenment. Hell I am not even that smart, and I can recognize morons in an instant. I was totally going to ignore that critic's review, but I see that others are just as outraged as I am. I wish we could round up all the stupids and put them in one place and let the rest of us live in freedom and enlightenment (and rock and roll).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 22:22:52 GMT -5
You know who I think is really campy and I never realized it before? Steven Tyler! His fashion, alone, is campy! Way, way more campy than Adam's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 22:25:10 GMT -5
"Gay is an extremely broad adjective that, as you say, includes anything and everything under the banner of being attracted to the same sex."
That's not what I think. I think gay means one thing and one thing only - being sexually attracted to the same sex. Just like I think straight means one thing and one thing only - being sexually attracted to the opposite sex.
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