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Post by kapsiz on Mar 19, 2011 22:25:25 GMT -5
There are so many of these around that I've lost count  . But just adding this one here anyway, as it is made to one of my very favourite songs by Jenni Vartiainen. Very nice Zinnia! Thanks for sharing! So many similarities between the two!  |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Mar 19, 2011 22:28:10 GMT -5
Sirius - The Blend is on where I work and WWFM is still playing several times a day. I try not to smile too much when I hear it... :-/ Me too. |
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Post by evergreen on Mar 19, 2011 22:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 19, 2011 22:31:14 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm not on board with equating gay and campy. To me, less campy doesn't mean less gay - it just means less campy. Same with theatrical. Because not every gay performer is campy, not every campy performer is gay. To me, it just doesn't make sense when gay is used to mean anything other than sexually attracted to the same sex. Everything else (campiness, theatricality) is like make-up or costumes - anyone can wear it, try it, play with it, put it on, take it off, etc. etc. If Adam chooses to sing something brutally heartfelt and utterly un-campy about love, he's not any less gay. My true feeling, said with love. I didn't perceive it in that way. Gay =/≠ camp is one minute facet of either and they are not mutually inclusive. Probably the vast majority of OTT "campy" acts have been ostensibly heterosexual – I've made this point repeatedly. Jagger, Bowie, Iggy Pop, David Lee Roth ... pretty much every frontman in the '70s and '80s was campy, OTT and, presumably, straight. It's just that – I think – camp was one of the first ways gay culture transitioned to mainstream by doing it so much better than anyone else. In essence, they were taking back their power by playing with and making fun of the stereotype. In similar fashion, comedy has been one of the first lines of defense to get people prepared for change. Think of Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and female comedians such as Roseanne Barr. They made fun of the stereotypical roles and before long, the rest of the world began to see them as ludicrous too. |
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Post by aloha on Mar 19, 2011 22:33:59 GMT -5
Rihannsu, I love your post. I do, however, disagree with this: I also found that red carpet interview from Rupaul's Drag Race with both he and Sutan very interesting. When the drag queen interviewing them asked Adam what his Drag name was or would be he says "Adam Lambert" with a perfectly straight face and waits for them to "get it". That to me was a hint that his stage act for Glam Nation was in many ways a kind of Drag. I have a feeling that if the interviewer had questioned him about it instead of laughing that he would have had a perfectly convincing explanation of what made it drag and I really would love to hear that. I think that there are often deeper meanings to things that he may just never reveal and allows those that get it to revel in that depth without making those that don't get it feel left out or stupid. He did finally acknowledge very late in the tour that the red A on the top hat was in fact a reference to "The Scarlett Letter" but he didn't belabor the point. Adam has said, often and quite firmly, that he does not do drag. If you take the accepted definition of drag in this particular cultural usage then it actually means dressing like a woman, and taking on the personna of a woman. To me, Glam Nation WAS camp, it WAS glam, but in no way was it drag. I think he said his drag name would be "Adam Lambert" because he was saying-- I am myself, no one else. I do not take on a drag personna. |
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Post by irish1139 on Mar 19, 2011 22:35:49 GMT -5
I want to see the dictionary where camp or campy in any way refers to someone being "gay." I didn't find that meaning in my Webster's dictionary. I think that is ludicrous. Ludicrous means amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity or exaggeration.
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Post by lifeguard on Mar 19, 2011 22:44:39 GMT -5
Got a malware alarm @this site and my security aborted the connection! Beware... Same thing happened to me minute ago. NEVER happened before so it was a little disconcerting. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 19, 2011 22:46:54 GMT -5
Looks like parties out and about LA just saw where Perez is actually in Austin at SXSW, not just hosting a party....oh well....always hope for pretty pics when I awake! lyndseyparker Lyndsey Parker Killer dj/violinist set at Perez #sxsw party by Caitlin Moe & Mia Moretti. Violins are the new guitars. plixi.com/p/854069412 minutes ago lyndseyparker Lyndsey Parker Backstage at Perez Hilton #SXSW party. Look at Zowie's outfit! #fieeeeerce #werrrk plixi.com/p/85390038lyndseyparker Lyndsey Parker Tonight's VEVO party with Kanye should be pretty rad! plixi.com/p/85376062Oops, except Lyndsey is in Austin at the South by Southwest Festival (holla MWP and AMW!!); that's what the tag #SXSW stands for. But still, he may be at the Glaad ceremony afterparties. :D |
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Post by mszue on Mar 19, 2011 22:47:36 GMT -5
Rhiannsu...you said:
"Adam's camp is very sophisticated which is why it is often not even recognized as camp. It sometimes goes over peoples heads. I've been thinking today that he is almost more DaDa than camp. Everything he does challenges preconceived notions. He juxtaposes things that you wouldn't think would go together. The way he both blends and contrasts the masculine and feminine and defies any attempt to box him in. As soon as you describe him he changes yet again. His response after the AMA's poked and challenged society. Rather than backing down he challenged our perceptions of what is acceptable. He hasn't just made us fans he has made us activists, or revitalized our activism. He makes us think and question the status quo. He is political in the way that artist should be political in that his art inspires us to examine and engage the world around us. The opening line of "Strut" is "I want to start a revolution" written at a time when he was saying he didn't want to be a poster child for the gay communtity. And he has started a revolution, a "personal solution" in his fan base. How many of us speak of the way he has reshaped us in the course of our fan experience. Many of us have taken up the challenge to "rewrite the role we play".
Dada was a response to fascism and we have a kind of neo-fascism going on in this country now. Adam's very existence challenges those ideas and just staying true to himself and strutting his stuff is a political statement all it's own. I love that he isn't afraid to be over the top but he also isn't afraid to tone it down and be understated even though many might see it as a cop out. He isn't afraid to take whatever direction the spirit moves him. I think that's one of the differences between him and Gaga. While Gaga is celebrating the freak aspect she almost seems to be rejecting the "normal" side. By always being weird and outlandish and out there she has put herself in a box that I don't think she can step out of. Could she wake up tomorrow and just do shows as plain old Stephanie Germanatta? I don't think she could. Adam has done a very good job all along of showing different aspects of himself and if he decided to do a stripped down coffee house style tour next time I think the fans would be right there with him because natural or normal Adam seems to be just as interesting as OTT Adam. Think about that VH1 acoustic set where he did DTRH. Most of us were scratching our heads trying to figure out how he could do that song acoustic. It just didn't seem possible, but it worked. I was amazed that it was just a psychedelic as the album version.
I also found that red carpet interview from Rupaul's Drag Race with both he and Sutan very interesting. When the drag queen interviewing them asked Adam what his Drag name was or would be he says "Adam Lambert" with a perfectly straight face and waits for them to "get it". That to me was a hint that his stage act for Glam Nation was in many ways a kind of Drag. I have a feeling that if the interviewer had questioned him about it instead of laughing that he would have had a perfectly convincing explanation of what made it drag and I really would love to hear that. I think that there are often deeper meanings to things that he may just never reveal and allows those that get it to revel in that depth without making those that don't get it feel left out or stupid. He did finally acknowledge very late in the tour that the red A on the top hat was in fact a reference to "The Scarlett Letter" but he didn't belabor the point."
I love your posts....you always wait for ages then give us an amazing, intelligent full on essay!!! Love it.
I suspect some of your comments on Dada, and on drag are spot on. I often remember that interview Adam had with Larry Flick when they talked of wearing/putting on their 'man drag'.....that was a very illuminating interview as it is one of the few times we got a glimpse into Adam acknowledging the concept...
On another note....I agree maria22....I am so looking forward to our party with melisende...thanks to both of you for getting this organized. ! yeah....
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Post by irish1139 on Mar 19, 2011 22:49:14 GMT -5
I can still remember the first time I found out that gay did not mean happy, go lucky. I was 18 years old and in a gay bar in the Village. A girlfriend and I were visiting NYC and went into a bar for a drink. Those were the days when it was legal to drink at 18 so we all started at 16 with forged proof. Anyway, the bar was filled with only guys and they looked at us like they wanted to kill us. One of them finally said to us that it was a gay bar. We left, and outside I found out that gay meant men that were only with other men. This was the first time I ever knew that was a possibility even. That was April of 1961. God, I think of how stupid we all were in the 50's and 60's. It amazes me that we all became parents and decent members of this wacky society.
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. But just adding this one here anyway, as it is made to one of my very favourite songs by Jenni Vartiainen. 
