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Post by kapsiz on Mar 19, 2011 22:53:09 GMT -5
"Gay is an extremely broad adjective that, as you say, includes anything and everything under the banner of being attracted to the same sex." That's not what I think. I think gay means one thing and one thing only - being sexually attracted to the same sex. Just like I think straight means one thing and one thing only - being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. WOW - I'm gay! And, in the strictest form of the "word" - you are correct! We absolutely need to get away from what a lot of kids say these days - "That's so Gay" or "You are so Gay"! If those words had a positive connotation - it wouldn't be an issue! But, they don't - hence, we have organizations like The Trevor Project's "It Gets Better" campaign, & Cyndi Lauper's "Give A Damn" & "True Colors Tour" Thanks for posting!  |
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Post by mariep on Mar 19, 2011 22:53:43 GMT -5
Tonight's discussion had me doing a little searching. Really for myself and not to comment on the discussion going on here. When I came across this I just had to bring it over. It's an excerpt built into the dictionary app that came with my computer. Look at the first name on the list of celebrities:
Celebrities
RuPaul regularly capitalizes on his camp appeal through TV and movie cameo appearances.
Many celebrities have camp personae, although some tend to possess these traits unintentionally. Some celebrities even capitalize on their camp appeal through commercials and in TV and movie cameo appearances (for example, TV commercials for Old Navy clothing stores). Celebrities with camp personae include:
Adam Lambert
Andy Bell (of the band Erasure)
Alan Carr
Boy George
Elvira
Cher
Christina Aguilera
Chuck Knipp
Cyndi Lauper
Courtney Love
Dame Edna
David Bowie
Divine (t/n Glen Milstead)
Elton John
Fabio
Frankie Howerd
Freddie Mercury (of the band Queen)
Gerard Way
Graham Norton
John Barrowman
John Waters
Julian Clary
Kathy Griffin
Kenneth Williams
Kylie Minogue
Lady Gaga
Liberace
Lionel Blair
Little Richard
Madonna
Mika
Pee-wee Herman
RuPaul
Richard Simmons
Sophie Ellis-Bextor
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Post by momtomany on Mar 19, 2011 22:55:37 GMT -5
wanna say . . wanna say . . wanna say . . . just like the remix, in this aftermath - - -
cayman, mys*&@^#r50, 4evrmomof4, mirages, susiefierce, didilynn, scorpio, and all you badass, spinny, campy, fierce Topians I've emailed; and those I regret I haven't - - - thank you for loving me. At the risk of really going over the top, I do need to say you have 'done it perfectly'; you've kept me afloat.
If I had aqua boardshorts they'd be on me tonight. If the holes in my ears supported gauges they'd be there. I have freckles! If Raja could paint my eyes, they'd be brilliant. If I could gather all the glitter AMW left in my hair I'd save it forever. If I could find myself at Skingraft, I'd be wearing leather. If I could sing like Adam, you'd hear I can't let you go.
Haven't held her yet; not home yet; but there is always tomorrow. No giving up on love. And love is love. I used to tell my boys - I don't care who you love; I only care that you love.
I am such a sap. Like someone we know. Tomorrow is only a day away. Goodnight. May that beautiful moon shine upon us all.
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Post by rad1109 on Mar 19, 2011 22:57:18 GMT -5
Looks like parties out and about LA just saw where Perez is actually in Austin at SXSW, not just hosting a party....oh well....always hope for pretty pics when I awake! lyndseyparker Lyndsey Parker Killer dj/violinist set at Perez #sxsw party by Caitlin Moe & Mia Moretti. Violins are the new guitars. plixi.com/p/854069412 minutes ago lyndseyparker Lyndsey Parker Backstage at Perez Hilton #SXSW party. Look at Zowie's outfit! #fieeeeerce #werrrk plixi.com/p/85390038lyndseyparker Lyndsey Parker Tonight's VEVO party with Kanye should be pretty rad! plixi.com/p/85376062Oops, except Lyndsey is in Austin at the South by Southwest Festival (holla MWP and AMW!!); that's what the tag #SXSW stands for. But still, he may be at the Glaad ceremony afterparties. :D Yeah I realized that after the fact....I guess Lyndsey is there too! |
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Post by irish1139 on Mar 19, 2011 23:00:07 GMT -5
Who changed the meaning of the word gay? Did straight people suddenly look at men who liked men and called them gay or did those men as a culture decide to call themelves "gay." There must be someplace to look this up. I am assuming that the dictionary you received is probably full of the latest language. It sounds like someone has decided it might be nice to have another label and call gay people "campy." We shouldn't be labeling any people anything. How do we get in these messes. It is all the intellectuals who write the history books and reference books that decide we have to label someone or something different with a code word so people understand they are different. Ugh.
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Post by Sunflower on Mar 19, 2011 23:01:55 GMT -5
I want to see the dictionary where camp or campy in any way refers to someone being "gay." I didn't find that meaning in my Webster's dictionary. I think that is ludicrous. Ludicrous means amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity or exaggeration. This is part of the Wikipedia entry for 'camp' Camp derives from the French slang term se camper, meaning “to pose in an exaggerated fashion”. The OED gives 1909 as the first print citation of camp as "ostentatious, exaggerated, affected, theatrical; effeminate or homosexual; pertaining to, characteristic of, homosexuals. So as a noun, ‘camp’ behaviour, mannerisms, et cetera. (cf. quot. 1909); a man exhibiting such behaviour". Per the Oxford English Dictionary, this sense is "etymologically obscure".
Later, it evolved into a general description of the aesthetic choices and behaviour of working-class homosexual men[citation needed]. Finally, it was made mainstream, and adjectivised, by Susan Sontag in her landmark essay (see below).
The rise of post-modernism made 'camp' a common perspective on aesthetics, which was not identified with any specific group. The attitude originally was a distinctive factor in pre-Stonewall gay male communities, where it was the dominant cultural pattern. It originated from the acceptance of gayness as effeminacy.[citation needed] Two key components of camp were originally feminine performances: swish and drag. With swish featuring extensive use of superlatives, and drag being exaggerated female impersonation, camp became extended to all things "over the top", including female female impersonators, as in the exaggerated Hollywood version of Carmen Miranda. It was this version of the concept that was adopted by literary and art critics and became a part of the conceptual array of 1960s culture. Moe Meyer still defines camp as "queer parody."[citation needed] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CampySo, as some have previously mentioned, camp =/= gay but it does have its origins in gay culture. |
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Post by aloha on Mar 19, 2011 23:03:31 GMT -5
Mszue: I often remember that interview Adam had with Larry Flick when they talked of wearing/putting on their 'man drag'.....that was a very illuminating interview as it is one of the few times we got a glimpse into Adam acknowledging the concept... But what, exactly,, is that concept? I took that part of their convo as a way to ridicule a stereotype of a gay man.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Mar 19, 2011 23:07:01 GMT -5
very SuperCool! (did not look like that out my window!)  ****SIGH**** Thank you for sharing that. I LOVE D.C. those monuments just get to me. It's just now getting dark here, but it's cloudy. :( I did a front- and backyard-search, but didn't see any glimmer of a SuperMoon. A little late to the discussion, but yeah - the monuments at night are really powerful. As lots of you know, I lived on Capitol Hill for a number of years, and the view coming home was truly such a highlight of my day. I would come down the George Washington Parkway and over Memorial Bridge...and all the lit monuments would be spread out in front of me. Jefferson to my left, Lincoln around the curve, and Washington straight ahead like a beacon showing me home. I love my house, but miss that drive so darn much. |
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Post by mika on Mar 19, 2011 23:08:35 GMT -5
Now, all that said, I love Leonard Cohen. Love Bruce Cockburn, Ferron, Antony and the Johnsons, Indigo Girls, Lou Reed. Love earnest, heartfelt, poetic. Love depth. I'm looking forward to seeing what Adam can do on that level ... Broken Open, I think, bodes well. Hey, I remember you said you serenaded your guests with Yeats, yes? You're my hero and I want to come to your house:) I hope there's a bee-loud glade. More poetry please!!! Are you on twitter? I ask because I follow Leonard Cohen Quotes and it often makes me smile. Indeed, I've never understood the need to box 'relevant music' into one genre. Doesn't art give voice to the range of human experience and vision. Sometimes that's arch and/or theatrical, sometimes it's a guy/girl with a guitar and a mic, or Placido Domingo or Iggy rolling around on broken glass. Do I really have to decide one is more authentic? As a member of the great audience, I think not. Still, for current (new) artists, it is a difficult time because so many trends are played out for the moment. Even the 'vocabulary' has become inadequate, as is regularly demonstrated. David Foster Wallace wrestled greatly with (for lack of better words) finding the heart in the postmodern (or post postmodern) world. He leaned towards some form of sincerity being the new rebellion. The last para of something he said/wrote reminded of the criticisms leveled at Adam - that' he's not a real rock star or (for some) a genuine artist b/c he's too polite, accessible, smooth (both in vocals and personality), sentimental, etc. I think one of the reviews or blogs even said something about his being too nice (or similar adjective) as a criticism. This is the conclusion of one of Foster's musings on this topic: "Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows." thisdrivesmostpeoplecrazy.com/2010/09/28/david-foster-wallace-on-irony/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft4YT80XgHg |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Mar 19, 2011 23:09:27 GMT -5
Yay Penelope!!! {{momtomany}} |
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