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Post by mszue on Mar 19, 2011 23:41:22 GMT -5
Mszue: I often remember that interview Adam had with Larry Flick when they talked of wearing/putting on their 'man drag'.....that was a very illuminating interview as it is one of the few times we got a glimpse into Adam acknowledging the concept... But what, exactly,, is that concept? I took that part of their convo as a way to ridicule a stereotype of a gay man. Hi Aloha.....well as I remember it, they had been laughing also about 'Soaked' allowing for 'sheety' moments....that is, the act of costuming yourself...wrapping a sheet about like a toga and that act allowing one to [to use a term we have been throwing about] camp it up...act over the top, take on an exaggerated personnae for the fun of it. It was an acknowledgment of the over the top nature of Soaked as presented in FYE. Then the discussion veered to a short commentary on having to also put on your "man drag". He was meaning that necessity for Gay men to automatically 'man up' their mannerisms in many situations as they recognize the appropriateness of that. This is not to be confused with being a fake or 'hiding' your real self or of being inauthentic. It may feel like that at times but I know Adam has long moved past that notion. The fact is, we all subtly alter our self-presentation to suit given situations. In fact, one of the first indicators of psychological illness, be it ongoing like Aspergers or an actual illness such as Schizophrenia, is an inability to determine the 'approriate' behaviour or face required of a situation. We see the person laughing at a funeral, swearing at a wedding, talking to themself in public...all as ill. We do not consider any of those acts as signs of illness in and of themself...only when inappropriate. Putting on your man drag is what a man who also regularly shows a more feminine personnae in specific situations, must be sure to do in 'public'. We all wear 'drags' on a regular basis. When a woman puts on a very tailored suit with buttoned shirt and low sensible shoes and strides purposefully into an office meeting, she has just put on her 'man drag'...in a way. She is emphasizing the mannerisms we have come to associate with the business man. Sorry for going on like this..... |
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Post by kapsiz on Mar 19, 2011 23:44:31 GMT -5
wanna say . . wanna say . . wanna say . . . just like the remix, in this aftermath - - - cayman, mys*&@^#r50, 4evrmomof4, mirages, susiefierce, didilynn, scorpio, and all you badass, spinny, campy, fierce Topians I've emailed; and those I regret I haven't - - - thank you for loving me. At the risk of really going over the top, I do need to say you have 'done it perfectly'; you've kept me afloat. If I had aqua boardshorts they'd be on me tonight. If the holes in my ears supported gauges they'd be there. I have freckles! If Raja could paint my eyes, they'd be brilliant. If I could gather all the glitter AMW left in my hair I'd save it forever. If I could find myself at Skingraft, I'd be wearing leather. If I could sing like Adam, you'd hear I can't let you go. Haven't held her yet; not home yet; but there is always tomorrow. No giving up on love. And love is love. I used to tell my boys - I don't care who you love; I only care that you love. I am such a sap. Like someone we know. Tomorrow is only a day away. Goodnight. May that beautiful moon shine upon us all. I love this - Momtomany!! ;D My fav part ~ "If I had aqua boardshorts they'd be on me tonight" - Ohh, and I have freckles too (I'm a redhead) - but on my arms, not my face! Go figure!! (same coloring as Adam!) Your post is the bomb! ;D ETA ~ I actually love each and every word of your post!!!!!  |
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Post by NoAngel on Mar 19, 2011 23:45:50 GMT -5
David Foster Wallace wrestled greatly with (for lack of better words) finding the heart in the postmodern (or post postmodern) world. He leaned towards some form of sincerity being the new rebellion. The last para of something he said/wrote reminded of the criticisms leveled at Adam - that' he's not a real rock star or (for some) a genuine artist b/c he's too polite, accessible, smooth (both in vocals and personality), sentimental, etc. I think one of the reviews or blogs even said something about his being too nice (or similar adjective) as a criticism. This is the conclusion of one of Foster's musings on this topic: "Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows." thisdrivesmostpeoplecrazy.com/2010/09/28/david-foster-wallace-on-irony/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft4YT80XgHgWow, that is awesome, Mika. Your post reminds me of the criticism leveled at Aftermath, both the lyrics of the song and at the "banter" with which Adam introduced it onstage. It's hard to be seen as cool and sophisticated unless you have an air of cynicism and jadedness. Looking at the world with weariness and humanity with suspicion. It's all about acting as if you don't care, and being in on the inside joke. In my opinion, it's a cop-out and a way to avoid disappointment and hurt. I think the way forward is not to guard ourselves from real feelings, nor to isolate ourselves within our in-groups. Growth is about being open to new experiences, and allowing ourselves to be vulnerable. It's about being brave enough to laugh when you're happy, and cry when you're upset. To admit when you've made a mistake. Sometimes the simplest things are the most profound. |
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Post by kapsiz on Mar 19, 2011 23:54:56 GMT -5
David Foster Wallace wrestled greatly with (for lack of better words) finding the heart in the postmodern (or post postmodern) world. He leaned towards some form of sincerity being the new rebellion. The last para of something he said/wrote reminded of the criticisms leveled at Adam - that' he's not a real rock star or (for some) a genuine artist b/c he's too polite, accessible, smooth (both in vocals and personality), sentimental, etc. I think one of the reviews or blogs even said something about his being too nice (or similar adjective) as a criticism. This is the conclusion of one of Foster's musings on this topic: "Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows." thisdrivesmostpeoplecrazy.com/2010/09/28/david-foster-wallace-on-irony/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft4YT80XgHgWow, that is awesome, Mika. Your post reminds me of the criticism leveled at Aftermath, both the lyrics of the song and at the "banter" with which Adam introduced it onstage. It's hard to be seen as cool and sophisticated unless you have an air of cynicism and jadedness. Looking at the world with weariness and humanity with suspicion. It's all about acting as if you don't care, and being in on the inside joke. In my opinion, it's a cop-out and a way to avoid disappointment and hurt. I think the way forward is not to guard ourselves from real feelings, nor to isolate ourselves within our in-groups. Growth is about being open to new experiences, and allowing ourselves to be vulnerable. It's about being brave enough to laugh when you're happy, and cry when you're upset. To admit when you've made a mistake. Sometimes the simplest things are the most profound. I believe the same to be true!  |
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Post by aloha on Mar 19, 2011 23:57:40 GMT -5
Mszue: I often remember that interview Adam had with Larry Flick when they talked of wearing/putting on their 'man drag'.....that was a very illuminating interview as it is one of the few times we got a glimpse into Adam acknowledging the concept... But what, exactly,, is that concept? I took that part of their convo as a way to ridicule a stereotype of a gay man. Hi Aloha.....well as I remember it, they had been laughing also about 'Soaked' allowing for 'sheety' moments....that is, the act of costuming yourself...wrapping a sheet about like a toga and that act allowing one to [to use a term we have been throwing about] camp it up...act over the top, take on an exaggerated personnae for the fun of it. It was an acknowledgment of the over the top nature of Soaked as presented in FYE. Then the discussion veered to a short commentary on having to also put on your "man drag". He was meaning that necessity for Gay men to automatically 'man up' their mannerisms in many situations as they recognize the appropriateness of that. This is not to be confused with being a fake or 'hiding' your real self or of being inauthentic. It may feel like that at times but I know Adam has long moved past that notion. The fact is, we all subtly alter our self-presentation to suit given situations. In fact, one of the first indicators of psychological illness, be it ongoing like Aspergers or an actual illness such as Schizophrenia, is an inability to determine the 'approriate' behaviour or face required of a situation. We see the person laughing at a funeral, swearing at a wedding, talking to themself in public...all as ill. We do not consider any of those acts as signs of illness in and of themself...only when inappropriate. Putting on your man drag is what a man who also regularly shows a more feminine personnae in specific situations, must be sure to do in 'public'. We all wear 'drags' on a regular basis. When a woman puts on a very tailored suit with buttoned shirt and low sensible shoes and strides purposefully into an office meeting, she has just put on her 'man drag'...in a way. She is emphasizing the mannerisms we have come to associate with the business man. Sorry for going on like this..... LOL... no problem. Yes. I think we are talking about the same thing. They were ridiculing the unfortunate reality that men have to dress and act a certain way in order to be perceived as "manly." But "man drag" used in that way is not the definition of drag as is known in the popular culture. What I was originally questioning was the suggestion that the Glam Nation was a form of "drag." I suppose one could loosely interpret it in that way, but I tend to take a harder line as Adam himself has corrected people on the word drag is it is sometimes used to describe him. Adam is my guide in this. I feel it is a point with him, and one that he has made very clear in more than one interview. Interesting discussion. |
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Post by Q3 on Mar 19, 2011 23:59:00 GMT -5
I nominate this for the best news thread on New ATop! Thanks all for the thoughtful, informative posts. (That is except for the mention of Aqua Board Shorts ) |
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Post by aloha on Mar 20, 2011 0:02:10 GMT -5
I nominate this for the best news thread on New ATop! Thanks all for the thoughtful, informative posts. (That is except for the mention of Aqua Board Shorts ) Oh, you mean these?  |
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Post by Q3 on Mar 20, 2011 0:05:32 GMT -5
No longer the best news thread ever! :-/  But I still live the first 23-1/2 pages!! |
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Post by mszue on Mar 20, 2011 0:06:05 GMT -5
ALOHA.....did you REALLY have to go there!!!....hahaha.....well pursuant to our conversation, Adam certainly is channeling his manly socal beach boy......
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Post by aloha on Mar 20, 2011 0:06:49 GMT -5
No longer the best news thread ever! :-/ But I still live the first 23-1/2 pages!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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