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Post by kittykay on Jun 26, 2012 19:42:06 GMT -5
www.salon.com/2001/03/14/payola_2/singleton//Interesting article. Pay for play Why does radio suck? Because most stations play only the songs the record companies pay them to. And things are going to get worse. ...There are 10,000 commercial radio stations in the United States; record companies rely on approximately 1,000 of the largest to create hits and sell records. Each of those 1,000 stations adds roughly three new songs to its playlist each week. The indies get paid for every one: $1,000 on average for an “add” at a Top 40 or rock station, but as high as $6,000 or $8,000 under certain circumstances. That’s a minimum $3 million worth of indie invoices sent out each week....
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 26, 2012 19:49:20 GMT -5
Most of the time songs that have been out as long as NCOE has, don't just pick back up on the charts in the US. There are those rare exceptions like Lights and the crossovers from AAA or Alt., but those examples are pretty rare. It could happen for NCOE, but things are not looking so great at the moment. It's true that songs by unestablished artists take time on the charts and time to peak, but we are not talking about a WWFM situation in this case. There comes a point where time starts working against a song. With Adam out of the country, where he isn't available to "babysit" NCOE up the charts, it all falls on RCA and I'm just not sure they have the power and pull that some of the other labels currently have. Maybe they have something left in their bag of tricks.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 19:54:58 GMT -5
Thank you csharpminor, for posting this. I read (lurk) at this post every day but have stopped recently because it has become one long rant and very critical of Adam. I have been afraid to speak my mind because I have done it before and been extremely smacked down. I hope you won't be, because the points you have made about the demeaning of Adam's judgement and choices are very valid. I also agree that NCEO will be a hit, just takes time. Sorry, but I have seen a lot of criticism of RCA and radio, but there has not been a lot or has there ever been a lot of criticism of Adam here. As a matter of fact, most posters continually say how much Adam has worked his butt off. It's not fair to use one or 2 posters to generalize about everyone or a whole thread. We dissect numbers here, that's what we do. When the numbers are good, the posts tend to be happier. When the numbers are not as good, the posts tend to not be as happy. Light and dark side of the Pop/Record/Radio business, ya know!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 20:20:45 GMT -5
www.salon.com/2001/03/14/payola_2/singleton//Interesting article. Pay for play Why does radio suck? Because most stations play only the songs the record companies pay them to. And things are going to get worse. ...There are 10,000 commercial radio stations in the United States; record companies rely on approximately 1,000 of the largest to create hits and sell records. Each of those 1,000 stations adds roughly three new songs to its playlist each week. The indies get paid for every one: $1,000 on average for an “add” at a Top 40 or rock station, but as high as $6,000 or $8,000 under certain circumstances. That’s a minimum $3 million worth of indie invoices sent out each week.... This article is damn depressing and infuriating!!  |
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Post by nica575 on Jun 26, 2012 20:23:23 GMT -5
www.salon.com/2001/03/14/payola_2/singleton//Interesting article. Pay for play Why does radio suck? Because most stations play only the songs the record companies pay them to. And things are going to get worse. ...There are 10,000 commercial radio stations in the United States; record companies rely on approximately 1,000 of the largest to create hits and sell records. Each of those 1,000 stations adds roughly three new songs to its playlist each week. The indies get paid for every one: $1,000 on average for an “add” at a Top 40 or rock station, but as high as $6,000 or $8,000 under certain circumstances. That’s a minimum $3 million worth of indie invoices sent out each week.... WOW! If this is true then all our discussions are null and void. It all comes down to RCA not having paid enough for NCOE to be played. Period. Requesting or not, "radio friendly" song or not - none of anything matters. |
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Post by elizalynn on Jun 26, 2012 20:26:37 GMT -5
Respectfully, this is an Adam Lambert NUMBERS thread, not a thread for the critique of his music, or the performance of RCA. Perhaps that is the focus of The Dark Side Thread instead. When I see the promotion of a Casey Abrahms CD on this thread, it really makes me think the focus has been lost. We never know who is lurking on this Adam Lambert site, could be fans of NAL, Eber, or Adam himself. And in my opinion, some comments, of course not all,
do become OTT. Adam supports this song, and since he knows a helluva lot more about what goes on behind the scenes than me, so do I.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 20:43:07 GMT -5
I didn't promote Casey Abrahams! That is ridiculous! Someone mentioned it got more adds than NCOE and I said it was a good CD and a catchy song! Promoting would be saying buy it! Or saying it's better than NCOE or the album! Conversely, Stefano got mmore adds and his song is crap!You know the number thread isn't for everyone, but I am getting tired of people who never post here or do all the work to compile this shit coming in and telling us what we do wrong!
It's been nice guys but I am takng a numbers' thread vacation! I.Am.Done!
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Post by Jablea on Jun 26, 2012 20:53:52 GMT -5
www.salon.com/2001/03/14/payola_2/singleton//Interesting article. Pay for play Why does radio suck? Because most stations play only the songs the record companies pay them to. And things are going to get worse. ...There are 10,000 commercial radio stations in the United States; record companies rely on approximately 1,000 of the largest to create hits and sell records. Each of those 1,000 stations adds roughly three new songs to its playlist each week. The indies get paid for every one: $1,000 on average for an “add” at a Top 40 or rock station, but as high as $6,000 or $8,000 under certain circumstances. That’s a minimum $3 million worth of indie invoices sent out each week.... That article is over a decade old. I'm not putting much stock in it. I think advertisers drive radio and too many radio stations are going broke. I'll be getting Casey's CD if nothing else for his personality but I did like the first song on the free play. Didn't get to listen to them all. Interesting he got adds so fast but his style isn't in competition with Adam and I doubt they'll be found often on the same radio station unlike Haley whom I think has real potential. (and of course she loves Adam too) I'm not liking the numbers for NCOE on the radio but I did like the crowd numbers for the San Fran show. He's going to have to make his own path and who knows, radio may not be a big part of it in his early years as an international artist. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jun 26, 2012 21:23:07 GMT -5
[wanders into thread curiously, sucking on lollipop] [reads quietly through posts] [licks lolly some more] [opens up carpetbag, pulls out beanbag chair] [pops open a Diet Coke; thinks for a minute] Well, we're all definitely in an interesting situation right now. Nobody knows what's happening for certain on radio. And, to be frank, for whatever reason its definitely not the cakewalk we initially anticipated. [licks lolly] Kinda sucks. [raises eyebrow] But its not worth sniping at each other, because every one of us KNOWS the quality of the album. And the quality of Adam. Doesn't change the frustration of the situation. If the music obviously sucked, it would actually be a lot easier to accept the lack of radio play. But the music is really good. And there are SO MANY awesome songs. And yet the single choices still aren't getting played easily. [shrugs] We request. We request some more. We get creative about requesting. And we then hope that enought momentum gets going that suddenly everything gets rolling. [grins] The fat lady hasn't sung. [smiles] In chemistry, there's a phenomenon called "Activation Energy". Its easier to explain in graphical form, but think of it as a hill next to a valley. A chemical reaction cannot occur until it gets over the hill. Sometimes, the 'hill' is small enough that one can practically step over it. Those chemical reactions occur easily. Sometimes the 'hill' is a mountain to be scaled. Those chemical reactions are extremely hard to initiate. However, the drop off on the other side indicates how MUCH of the reaction takes place. [grins] Adam's got a damn big hill to crawl up on radio. However, I think the freakin' Marianus Trench is on the other side, so ONCE THINGS GET GOING I think all the prep work and industry praise and everything are gonna rocket him. But that initial hill is really freaking big, and I don't think we anticipated that we were all gonna need crampons and climbing gear to get up it. But it is what it is, and we're just gonna have to put on better boots to get up the slope. |
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Post by nica575 on Jun 26, 2012 21:26:39 GMT -5
www.salon.com/2001/03/14/payola_2/singleton//Interesting article. Pay for play Why does radio suck? Because most stations play only the songs the record companies pay them to. And things are going to get worse. ...There are 10,000 commercial radio stations in the United States; record companies rely on approximately 1,000 of the largest to create hits and sell records. Each of those 1,000 stations adds roughly three new songs to its playlist each week. The indies get paid for every one: $1,000 on average for an “add” at a Top 40 or rock station, but as high as $6,000 or $8,000 under certain circumstances. That’s a minimum $3 million worth of indie invoices sent out each week.... That article is over a decade old. I'm not putting much stock in it. I think advertisers drive radio and too many radio stations are going broke. I'll be getting Casey's CD if nothing else for his personality but I did like the first song on the free play. Didn't get to listen to them all. Interesting he got adds so fast but his style isn't in competition with Adam and I doubt they'll be found often on the same radio station unlike Haley whom I think has real potential. (and of course she loves Adam too) I'm not liking the numbers for NCOE on the radio but I did like the crowd numbers for the San Fran show. He's going to have to make his own path and who knows, radio may not be a big part of it in his early years as an international artist. Do we know what changed in the last decade? WHY do we constantly hear that it might cost $mil to promote a single? IMO this article perfectly explained the reason, and of course the numbers are higher today...it is kinda clicking for me.... Will be requesting anyway - it makes me feel I am doing something for Adam even if it is useless... I am also frankly tired of vigilante police. >:( |
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