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Post by melliemom on Sept 11, 2017 16:49:36 GMT -5
Good point about the heart rather than sexuality. Sam is universal and romantic.. but IMO that's part of Adam's crusade and what he said so many times.. if women can be sexy why can't a gay man, he wants the freedom to be himself... He suffers the consequences of being sexual. but that's Adam ....pushing the boundaries. We're still talking about only two gay artists.. What about the other gay artists who are talented & like Sam all heart not sexually threatening and are ignored.. How many straight singers are famous in America and how many gay singers are famous here at home??? Not sure how famous these are in the US, but they are doing pretty good all over the world, but have to fight hard for it as well. Troye Sivan www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VNV__mV38sHis latest was with Martin Garrix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNNMr5glICMYears & Years (with Olly): www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNb4FBawH_UI should have said American gay singers.. yes Troye is a very talented Australian.. YouTube was how he became famous,although he was also a child actor.
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Post by melliemom on Sept 11, 2017 16:56:00 GMT -5
Good point about the heart rather than sexuality. Sam is universal and romantic.. but IMO that's part of Adam's crusade and what he said so many times.. if women can be sexy why can't a gay man, he wants the freedom to be himself... He suffers the consequences of being sexual. but that's Adam ....pushing the boundaries Most of Adam's songs released to radio are not even sexy. His tours are but his released songs are not. Nothing overly sexy about GT or ALN. They still did not receive a boat load of play in the US. As for safe, Sam is no more safe than Sheeran, Mendes, Legend and Pugh. Nothing that different about Sam, it is just his style. They treat him like the other artists and I'm glad they do tho I am not a fan. If they had played Adam's so-called safe songs as much as the others, they would have gone up the charts as well, imo. WWFM did in the US cause it was played a lot. Even his great songs that were not released would not have done all that great if they were not played a lot. It is always going to be more difficult for the out artists. But if you have a label willing to fight to give you a good chance then you have a good chance. IMO, Adam is not some fringe gay artist on the outside looking in. He is a platinum selling, Grammy nominated major label artist and the frontman for Queen. He tours the world as a headlining solo artist and with Queen. Put a little muscle behind the man and stop with the excuses already. Sure couldn't hurt if the label pushed hard...AS Adam said ,again Ru Paul interview, to paraphrase the music industry is shit and is depressing...sad.. No excuses for getting on radio,IMHO,there are many things that come into play,alot having nothing to do with the music itself.tough all the way around
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Post by mszue on Sept 11, 2017 16:58:24 GMT -5
Good point about the heart rather than sexuality. Sam is universal and romantic.. but IMO that's part of Adam's crusade and what he said so many times.. if women can be sexy why can't a gay man, he wants the freedom to be himself... He suffers the consequences of being sexual. but that's Adam ....pushing the boundaries Most of Adam's songs released to radio are not even sexy. His tours are but his released songs are not. Nothing overly sexy about GT or ALN. They still did not receive a boat load of play in the US. As for safe, Sam is no more safe than Sheeran, Mendes, Legend and Pugh. Nothing that different about Sam, it is just his style. They treat him like the other artists and I'm glad they do tho I am not a fan. If they had played Adam's so-called safe songs as much as the others, they would have gone up the charts as well, imo. WWFM did in the US cause it was played a lot. Even his great songs that were not released would not have done all that great if they were not played a lot. It is always going to be more difficult for the out artists. But if you have a label willing to fight to give you a good chance then you have a good chance. IMO, Adam is not some fringe gay artist on the outside looking in. He is a platinum selling, Grammy nominated major label artist and the frontman for Queen. He tours the world as a headlining solo artist and with Queen. Put a little muscle behind the man and stop with the excuses already. Hey...we are on he same side...that was the point...his best songs were not released and supported as singles, IMO, much because they were too explicitly gayly sexy....so they pushed the safe ones. But if he would be unhappy with himself had he not been as aggressive in showing his sexuality, that would be worse than just being not quite as commercial as we would like him to be....
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Post by lurleene on Sept 11, 2017 17:30:18 GMT -5
Most of Adam's songs released to radio are not even sexy. His tours are but his released songs are not. Nothing overly sexy about GT or ALN. They still did not receive a boat load of play in the US. As for safe, Sam is no more safe than Sheeran, Mendes, Legend and Pugh. Nothing that different about Sam, it is just his style. They treat him like the other artists and I'm glad they do tho I am not a fan. If they had played Adam's so-called safe songs as much as the others, they would have gone up the charts as well, imo. WWFM did in the US cause it was played a lot. Even his great songs that were not released would not have done all that great if they were not played a lot. It is always going to be more difficult for the out artists. But if you have a label willing to fight to give you a good chance then you have a good chance. IMO, Adam is not some fringe gay artist on the outside looking in. He is a platinum selling, Grammy nominated major label artist and the frontman for Queen. He tours the world as a headlining solo artist and with Queen. Put a little muscle behind the man and stop with the excuses already. Sure couldn't hurt if the label pushed hard...AS Adam said ,again Ru Paul interview, to paraphrase the music industry is shit and is depressing...sad.. No excuses for getting on radio,IMHO,there are many things that come into play,alot having nothing to do with the music itself.tough all the way around I agree it is tough. And I was talking about the label putting some muscle behind him and not looking for excuses if they are, lol. Adam has done well but he has never released an album when he already had a hit song. His songs are always slowlyyyy moving up when he releases. It would have been nice to see him have hits that drive the album then maybe he would have had a chance to release some of the sexier songs. But we will never know because he gets cut off pretty quickly cause his singles are so slow moving that the album dies fast.
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Post by bamafan on Sept 11, 2017 17:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on Sept 11, 2017 17:51:37 GMT -5
Troye Sivan is imo fighting for radio play just like Adam is (and we should support him - not see him as a threat), and I remember Troye celebrating when reaching #23 on the Billboard top40. Radio play in Australia or South Africa or UK is certainly a different thing, and I do not follow his career enough to know the details here. As I mentioned yesterday, I think that being gay and non-US makes things a bit more palatable to the music biz here, though apparently not for long.
It is here in the US where the general recommendation to artists still seems to be to stay closeted, no matter how much this is in today's world almost impossible to do, given that every person on the street has a camera at the ready and social media is omni-present. I just think that the option that stars had in the past to separate their private life from their public life has been taken by our much more invasive social media world. I don't think that this fact is sufficiently discussed, when people compare the past to the present. Adam has mentioned it a few times, but it rarely gets picked up as a relevant statement by the interviewers. Straight privilege is so deeply ingrained that I don't think folks even realize how important such a point is. And obviously, we don't want to times to roll back anyhow, so let's rather celebrate the success of those that are out as well as successful, Adam and Troye included.
My impression is that Troye's success comes from streaming, from youtube videos, and a generally from a strong social media presence. Not from radio. I have not got any details to prove that Troye has received the same 'gay-delay' radio treatment that Adam has (the 'gay-delay' is what I have called when selective radio stations behave sluggish and do not ride the song wave up the charts, but only reluctantly plays the artist a little later when the song is already on its way back down, thereby giving the artist no chance to get high in the charts, but at the same time they are protecting their station from the critique of being homophobic, because their statistics do show the song as played. It's called politics and yes, it is ugly).
Anyhow, the way Troye does it, is in my mind very much the way to go, but obviously he is much younger and therefore appeals more to the next generation. Adam paved the way in the US, but finds himself a tad lonely in his age group, because apparently the others who are in his age group have made different choices for themselves.
Now Years and Years is a band and also came up through the UK charts and then other European charts, not the US. So, as far as I know, outside of Adam, the US radio charts have not produced another top40 artist from the US who is openly gay. Or am I missing someone? That fact alone should normally shake a few people up a bit, but clearly the smug world of radio will just keep enjoying their straight privilege and pretend that this is statistically normal.
I don't think that folks generally understand how much headwind Adam has to fight against to win on radio, and so the only good news in this whole thing is, that radio is not the gatekeeper that it used to be. So, there are ways around it, and I think that Adam will have to use them too. And we need to support him, even if it leads away from trodden paths.
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Post by bamafan on Sept 11, 2017 18:16:00 GMT -5
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Post by melliemom on Sept 11, 2017 18:22:19 GMT -5
Sure couldn't hurt if the label pushed hard...AS Adam said ,again Ru Paul interview, to paraphrase the music industry is shit and is depressing...sad.. No excuses for getting on radio,IMHO,there are many things that come into play,alot having nothing to do with the music itself.tough all the way around I agree it is tough. And I was talking about the label putting some muscle behind him and not looking for excuses if they are, lol. Adam has done well but he has never released an album when he already had a hit song. His songs are always slowlyyyy moving up when he releases. It would have been nice to see him have hits that drive the album then maybe he would have had a chance to release some of the sexier songs. But we will never know because he gets cut off pretty quickly cause his singles are so slow moving that the album dies fast. oh LOl ....Yup you're right ,cut off pretty fast
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Post by nica575 on Sept 11, 2017 18:44:13 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't think WBR did much for Adam, given GT was and is an ok song with streaming only... then they've selected the mediocre ALN which did nothing and killed the rest of the singles , specifically the brilliant TOH. Era 4 seems to be doing even worse for now, I'm not even sure there is a plan for it STILL! Whether this attitude is due to the gay thing or for some other reason is hard to say...they snatched him fast after RCA but ran out of steam pretty fast imo....
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Post by melliemom on Sept 11, 2017 19:11:34 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't think WBR did much for Adam, given GT was and is an ok song with streaming only... then they've selected the mediocre ALN which did nothing and killed the rest of the singles , specifically the brilliant TOH. Era 4 seems to be doing even worse for now, I'm not even sure there is a plan for it STILL! Whether this attitude is due to the gay thing or for some other reason is hard to say...they snatched him fast after RCA but ran out of steam pretty fast imo.... I agree
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