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Post by lurleene on Sept 11, 2017 21:23:11 GMT -5
Maybe a lot of radio will do nothing for Adam in the US. But we don't know because he has not had that much since WWFM got lots of play and went 2x platinum in the US. So for me, I would love to see him get the chance. His music is better than a lot that is played so I am not believing for one minute it is because his songs are not the undeniable hits. Most of those hits are because they get played all the time and then some and not because they are these great masterpieces. My opinion only.
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Post by sizzling63 on Sept 11, 2017 21:33:38 GMT -5
Ed Sheeran was on Taylor Swifts album and on her big tour. Big help to break with her behind you. I read that the label pulled out all the stops to support Sam's debut and it continues. He got the every hour treatment on his new single. I doubt radio just gave him that without a push from his label. I don't think they broke big by accident. With the bias in the US radio, Adam needs more than a great song. He needs big support and effort. IMHO the music industry has their talented gay token, Sam Smith.. I believe Adam had a shot at being the token before the AMA awards.. A role I think he would never cotton to. The music industry wants us to think they are diversified..oh yeah . Success as a recording artist seems to be a very complex thing. If there was a fool proof recipe for it, then there would be a lot more mega stars competing for the #1 spot in record sales. SS was lucky - he took advantage of an opportunity, hit the right tone, and the mainstream audiences ate it up. He gets radio play as soon as he has a new song because his formula worked in the past and he is established as an artist. Adam wanted to push buttons from the start and even "upset people", which created a stigma. Hard to recover from that, especially in his home country. I agree that "Adam had a shot at being the token before the AMA awards" but that's water down the bridge, and it would have entailed other sacrifices for him. The single choices that followed were for my taste never the best songs on the albums, while some real good songs were just a bit too far "out there" for someone like him (Shady, Chokehold, Underneath) or simply overlooked (Runnin', Cuckoo, TOH). I think he came closest to what he is all about with Ghost Town - it felt believable to me. I really hope he can build from there.
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Post by donnamb on Sept 11, 2017 21:42:21 GMT -5
That "release inside of me" lyric would not be included on either a hetero or homo related music release. I don't think Adam would push for that to be a radio release, he was just singing to his fAN bASE.
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Post by girldrummer on Sept 11, 2017 21:58:50 GMT -5
IMHO the music industry has their talented gay token, Sam Smith.. I believe Adam had a shot at being the token before the AMA awards.. A role I think he would never cotton to. The music industry wants us to think they are diversified..oh yeah . Success as a recording artist seems to be a very complex thing. If there was a fool proof recipe for it, then there would be a lot more mega stars competing for the #1 spot in record sales. SS was lucky - he took advantage of an opportunity, hit the right tone, and the mainstream audiences ate it up. He gets radio play as soon as he has a new song because his formula worked in the past and he is established as an artist. Adam wanted to push buttons from the start and even "upset people", which created a stigma. Hard to recover from that, especially in his home country. I agree that "Adam had a shot at being the token before the AMA awards" but that's water down the bridge, and it would have entailed other sacrifices for him. The single choices that followed were for my taste never the best songs on the albums, while some real good songs were just a bit too far "out there" for someone like him (Shady, Chokehold, Underneath) or simply overlooked (Runnin', Cuckoo, TOH). I think he came closest to what he is all about with Ghost Town - it felt believable to me. I really hope he can build from there. Agree on many counts. SS may have found a great "formula" for success. And it's working for him big-time. But Adam is not a "formula" kind of guy. And as noble as that can be, it can be a disadvantage. Maybe Adam is no longer searching for a consistent "sound" that identifies him, like SS has. Adam keeps trying all kinds of sounds, maybe not so much because he wants to be marketable, but because he likes to experiment. I don't know. And yes, unlike SS and some other gay singers, Adam came out with his gay guns blazing, willing and able to stir things up and make a statement. SS has no interest in doing that. His fans know pretty much what they are going to get from him each and every time. And they like it each and every time. I don't think Adam will ever be like that. Adam is a real anomaly. He is bursting with talent and enthusiasm. Bursting with personality. Bursting with good looks and charm. There just doesn't seem to be a way to package it all for the masses. And I agree that the singles that have been chosen have not always been the best choices. I still love ALN and was not sorry to see it become a single, but apparently my instincts were wrong. The song didn't fly. TOH should have been the next single. Runnin', Shady, Underneath, Sleepwalker, should have been singles. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. So now, Warner Bros. Do your job. Find a strong, promising song from this new batch, promote it. Get it played on radio. Perception is everything. When a song is played a lot, everyone is supposed to assume that it's a hit that is cool to like. It's Adam's time for one of those.
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Post by 3ku1 on Sept 11, 2017 22:36:05 GMT -5
Look Adam Lambert is a genre all on hits own haha. SS is more safe then Adam. He's also British. American Consumers love their British artists. SS got given some great opportunities. Made a lot of mainstream music. And found success. But I don't think it helps to compare Adam. He's not SS or any other artist. He's carving out his own unique path. Theirs no way to predict or determine if Adam we'll get mainstream success in his next album. But I felt things changed after his performance on the country music awards. Seemed to start getting mainstream acceptance. Adam has seemed to move on from finding the "sound". Or getting the "hit". And seems to gone away from Top 40. So if anything I excited by that. If he releases pop/rock sorta sound. Return of Glam Rock. More retro sound. Then whatever happens, happens. Adams making a cultural impact though. That goes beyond any chart placement.
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Post by nica575 on Sept 11, 2017 23:15:17 GMT -5
Maybe a lot of radio will do nothing for Adam in the US. But we don't know because he has not had that much since WWFM got lots of play and went 2x platinum in the US. So for me, I would love to see him get the chance. His music is better than a lot that is played so I am not believing for one minute it is because his songs are not the undeniable hits. Most of those hits are because they get played all the time and then some and not because they are these great masterpieces. My opinion only. I agree! ...and what is "undeniable hit" ? How would it be defined? Why was WWFM a hit? IMO WWFM is a boring song while FYE for example is a "much better" song but did nothing... why is SS popular? He has nasal whining delivery, a couple of songs I've heard made me want to jump off a nearest roof...why is that attractive to teens? How are his songs "undeniable hits"?
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Post by nica575 on Sept 11, 2017 23:21:31 GMT -5
Look Adam Lambert is a genre all on hits own haha. SS is more safe then Adam. He's also British. American Consumers love their British artists. SS got given some great opportunities. Made a lot of mainstream music. And found success. But I don't think it helps to compare Adam. He's not SS or any other artist. He's carving out his own unique path. Theirs no way to predict or determine if Adam we'll get mainstream success in his next album. But I felt things changed after his performance on the country music awards. Seemed to start getting mainstream acceptance. Adam has seemed to move on from finding the "sound". Or getting the "hit". And seems to gone away from Top 40. So if anything I excited by that. If he releases pop/rock sorta sound. Return of Glam Rock. More retro sound. Then whatever happens, happens. Adams making a cultural impact though. That goes beyond any chart placement. Exactly! I love his eclectic albums! Can't wait to hear what comes next!
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Post by sizzling63 on Sept 12, 2017 0:12:08 GMT -5
Success as a recording artist seems to be a very complex thing. If there was a fool proof recipe for it, then there would be a lot more mega stars competing for the #1 spot in record sales. SS was lucky - he took advantage of an opportunity, hit the right tone, and the mainstream audiences ate it up. He gets radio play as soon as he has a new song because his formula worked in the past and he is established as an artist. Adam wanted to push buttons from the start and even "upset people", which created a stigma. Hard to recover from that, especially in his home country. I agree that "Adam had a shot at being the token before the AMA awards" but that's water down the bridge, and it would have entailed other sacrifices for him. The single choices that followed were for my taste never the best songs on the albums, while some real good songs were just a bit too far "out there" for someone like him (Shady, Chokehold, Underneath) or simply overlooked (Runnin', Cuckoo, TOH). I think he came closest to what he is all about with Ghost Town - it felt believable to me. I really hope he can build from there. Agree on many counts. SS may have found a great "formula" for success. And it's working for him big-time. But Adam is not a "formula" kind of guy. And as noble as that can be, it can be a disadvantage. Maybe Adam is no longer searching for a consistent "sound" that identifies him, like SS has. Adam keeps trying all kinds of sounds, maybe not so much because he wants to be marketable, but because he likes to experiment. I don't know. And yes, unlike SS and some other gay singers, Adam came out with his gay guns blazing, willing and able to stir things up and make a statement. SS has no interest in doing that. His fans know pretty much what they are going to get from him each and every time. And they like it each and every time. I don't think Adam will ever be like that. Adam is a real anomaly. He is bursting with talent and enthusiasm. Bursting with personality. Bursting with good looks and charm. There just doesn't seem to be a way to package it all for the masses. And I agree that the singles that have been chosen have not always been the best choices. I still love ALN and was not sorry to see it become a single, but apparently my instincts were wrong. The song didn't fly. TOH should have been the next single. Runnin', Shady, Underneath, Sleepwalker, should have been singles. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. So now, Warner Bros. Do your job. Find a strong, promising song from this new batch, promote it. Get it played on radio. Perception is everything. When a song is played a lot, everyone is supposed to assume that it's a hit that is cool to like. It's Adam's time for one of those. You brought up an interesting point. I think it may have always been more important for Adam to experiment and try new things and not get bored ("I got this magic that's called ADD" haha) versus working on musical identity and sound recognition. You are right, he seems to be blessed with all sorts of good things that are hard to "package", plus he can sing the phone book in any key and make it exciting. Good and bad, I think. I wish for his next single to be authentic, believable, and ear wormy.
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Post by sizzling63 on Sept 12, 2017 0:34:20 GMT -5
Look Adam Lambert is a genre all on hits own haha. SS is more safe then Adam. He's also British. American Consumers love their British artists. SS got given some great opportunities. Made a lot of mainstream music. And found success. But I don't think it helps to compare Adam. He's not SS or any other artist. He's carving out his own unique path. Theirs no way to predict or determine if Adam we'll get mainstream success in his next album. But I felt things changed after his performance on the country music awards. Seemed to start getting mainstream acceptance. Adam has seemed to move on from finding the "sound". Or getting the "hit". And seems to gone away from Top 40. So if anything I excited by that. If he releases pop/rock sorta sound. Return of Glam Rock. More retro sound. Then whatever happens, happens. Adams making a cultural impact though. That goes beyond any chart placement. The Country Music Awards were a big moment and a way for Adam to show what a versatile and highly skilled singer and performer he is. About Top 40... I was so thrilled to hear from him that he is moving away from it. As Adam likely has more financial freedom now, I am keeping my fingers crossed for something unique, just like him.
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Post by marionm on Sept 12, 2017 0:37:21 GMT -5
loved reading this discussion. Very interesting, insightful points.
I gotta ask. Why do people focus on the "release inside of me" so much...maybe I'm just not getting it but why are people taking it so graphic? I thought of emotional release...but I also thought FYE was about being an Adam fan, once you're hooked there is no getting away, and not about "getting frisky"...so what do I know?^^lol...maybe Adam should have sung "lick my lolypop" ...about being "token"...there is such a sing as "positive discrimination"
On a somewhat other note. I went to a wedding on Saturday and for the first 5 minutes the priest had my sympathies before well...he said things that made my stomach twist and turn. Looking behind his cool friendly easy-going exterior were some very conservative hints. Marriage is for "man and woman", a "Christan" marriage...I know the "marriage should see fruit" part is a given but...if marriage is defined as to bring children into this world than someone like me who can't have children can't get married or what?...I didn't notice it during the wedding I went to last year and the one the year before. I know a whole different construction site. I'm also aware that the church can't change over night and I think Pope Francis is doing a great job. To sum up. It was just too much water preached and too much wine drank.
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