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Post by bamafan on May 29, 2018 17:59:07 GMT -5
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Post by cheriemelissa on May 29, 2018 18:52:03 GMT -5
I grew up in Canada and England and Europe were always 2 separate places. When they joined the European Union and combined their money into the Euro and you could travel to all the countries, work, live etc without worrying about the boarders, that's when things changed, at least that's what I know. Now with Brexit they will revert back to the old way. Most of the younger generation don't like it because they like the mobility. I guess we'll see how it all works out when the UK separates. I know the laws are made in Brussels and some in the UK resent that. There won’t change much. It will only be very expensive for the UK (and the EU). The UK always had passport controls, it’s own currency, independent from the Euro, and their laws are (mostly) made in Westminster. There is free travel in Europe, but you are only allowed to live in another country for 3months, if you don’t find a job. That’s the law ( but many countries don’t control it.) After the brexit (I still hope, it won’t come), traveling and getting a work permit will be much harder. Since the UK voted for the brexit, there is a record number of Brits living in Germany, who are now applying for the German citizenship. The UK won‘t be paying anymore for the EU, but instead more for import and export ect. Many international companies will leave London. I don’t see a winner in the brexit. Sorry for being political now. It (the brexit, not your post 🙂) just bothers me. Good night! I agree with you. I thought the Brexit vote was sad. I don't think people really understood how bad it could get or what leaving actually means. Oh well!
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 29, 2018 22:14:53 GMT -5
I see we are discussing Europe, tonight. Well, let me join the fray, just for fun, and those poor souls who come here tonight, naively assuming they will read about Adam, will just have to skip to the next post below, because Adam is geographically challenged, and therefore got lost, somewhere in the first paragraph. Anyhow, you have been warned.
Europe has gone through more definitions than a chameleon through colors, depending on purpose, author, aspect of discussion, location, etc.
It is not even clear where the term originated. In school they told us that the Assyrians had a word for sunrise (Asa, I believe) and one for sunset (Erop) and from there the terms were born. Would explain to some degree this very unnatural division of the Eurasian continent into two parts, but I don't know whether this whole story is valid. Historians do not agree, so here you go.
The Greek had a mythical Phoenician princess called Europe who was abducted by Zeus riding on a bull, and as far as Europe goes, that whole story may be bull too.
The Bible tells us that Noah divided the 'world' between his three sons into Asia, Libya (Africa), and the land from the columns of Hercules til the river Don, so this gets close to the European boundaries from East to West, but there is no mention of the term Europe there, as far as I know.
This geographic understanding existed though through most of Greek and Roman times, but in late Roman times, when there was a West and East Roman empire, the term Europe got associated with the western parts of the Roman empire and therefore, from a Christian standpoint, the Rome centric part, as compared to the orthodox world or a few centuries later, in addition, the Islamic world. And as far as I know, this is how it stayed until pretty much the 19th century, with only some debates on where the Eastern boundaries were.
When people referred to the continent of Europe, the UK, Ireland, Island, etc. always belonged to Europe, geologically as well as geographically. But culturally, England always saw itself as separate, and referred to Europe as 'the continent' or 'Europe', as if they had no part in it. The often felt more as islanders rather than as Europeans, and it stuck in the English language, which is how that terminology got spread throughout the Commonwealth and also to countries like the US, even though that geo-political or cultural distinction was never quite appreciated here.
So, there really is a difference, how the English think about Europe and talk about it, versus what the perception on the continent is. Now, this all got muddied by the European Union, and the various stages of developments wthin, and clearly we are not done with that chapter. Language matters, and it influences thinking, and I don't think that Brexit would have ever happened in the same way, were there not such a distinction in the heads of English citizens to begin with. Just my theory.
Legally and economically, the UK of course belongs to Europe, how much so, is obviously presently under discussion. Many global companies, divide the world into major regions, and the most common one, (1) Americas, (2) Europe/Africa, (3) Asia/AU, looks at Europe from a very high level, in fact, very often even Israel gets lumped into Europe as the second sales region, due to its development status.
Bottom-line: Nobody knows what is Europe and what is not, and therefore Adam will do just fine, whatever he says.
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Post by EenieMeenie on May 29, 2018 22:39:41 GMT -5
I never thought that by referring to the UK and then referencing Europe that it would sound strange to those that live there. I have always separated them geographically (not politically) just due to some lingo I picked up on while in London. When traveling I would hear people say they were going over to the "continent" which, at first, sounded strange to me. Why not just say which country you would be visiting? So, in that way I felt like people were separating the "island" from the "whole". Very interesting. Because I feel, that the countries in Europe (including the UK) are politically much more different from each other, than geographically. 🤔 I can simply enter a train in Brussels or Paris and travel to London in a very short time. There is a canal between them, but the same goes for Ireland and Britain. On the other hand politically, the countries in Europe are ALL completely independent with different cultures and languages. I guess what I meant to say is "putting politics aside" I looked at the two as geographically separated when looking at the globe. Very simply put and not having anything to do with being able get to Paris and elsewhere very easily from London.
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Post by nic42 on May 30, 2018 5:34:59 GMT -5
Everyone is travelling towards London, and soooooon the tour will start. And I will be there! In a week I am going to board a plane to Lisbon!!! I am going to see Queen and Adam again! For the first show, and I fully expect some costume surprises. And maybe even weird hair surprises (I really hope so)!! Maybe even a new song? Who knows. And as if that wasn't enough, the day after the show I am going to catch the night train to Madrid to see them again, on my birthday. It is hard to believe that this is really going to happen. It is such a gift that I can be there again, and they always fill me with so much joy. Who is going to be there too? Although I won't be going, I'm truly happy for everyone who can make it. Hope you have a ball, nic42! Given the generosity of concert goers who share their experience in a variety of ways (recaps anyone?), I consider myself mighty lucky to experience the magic time and again. Thank you!! I am certainly going to take some pictures, and if possible I will write a recap too! Some experiences can't be caught into words, but I will certainly try.
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Post by nic42 on May 30, 2018 5:36:42 GMT -5
And of course the UK is really different from mainland Europe. They drive on the left there ffs.
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Post by LindaG23 on May 30, 2018 9:02:13 GMT -5
CraazyforAdam, I read every word. The Assyrian explanation is my favorite ... Asa and Erop indeed! You provided the new thing I learned today, so I guess I can just go back to sleep now before my second cup of coffee.
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