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Post by wal on Jan 11, 2013 19:23:45 GMT -5
Adam Lambert @adamlambert And NO. I'm not taking sides in any of the current celeb beefs. This is a general conversation. More about society as a whole.
Nick Gardner @nrhgardner @adamlambert Let's beef Lambert. Right here, right now.
Adam Lambert @adamlambert @nrhgardner where's the beef?? Lol
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Post by bobo on Jan 11, 2013 19:25:58 GMT -5
[/IMG] [/quote] Twitter followers don't mean jack careerwise...if they did his sales would be better obviously. If people unfollow him oh well. What he's saying makes total sense and IMO people are just not paying attention. His point is not every altercation between kids is bullying. Not every time a child gets into an argument or scrap at school are they being bullied. Kids fight. Kids are rude. As an adult you damn well better know how to deal with people's attitudes without feeling like a victim all the time. His point is that it's become very trendy to say "I've been bullied" or "that's bullying" Adam IS bullied online, even by his own fans sometimes. He's developed a thick enough skin to deal with it and that's what he's trying to say everyone needs. Take the power back from the bullies and nasty people who have nothing but negative things to say. Every reaction just invites more of the same because they crave the attention and satisfaction of having power over someone else. [/quote] I disagree! There are rude kids, but the most of them are not rude according to my life experience. I assume if you are rude as a child, you become a rude adult as well. When you are adult, you know how to hide it, but you can still be rude, when nobody identifies you (i.e. anonym on Internet).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 19:26:23 GMT -5
People can only have the power over you that you LET THEM have over you! If you don't give them the power to control you they can't and they will eventually move on to someone who gives them what they seek. Try reading juniemoon and fallenangel's responses to the last time you said that. And do you really think kids can just go "nope" and put themselves out of a bad situation? I mean it's great that you managed it but kids are constantly stuck in the same place with the same people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 19:28:05 GMT -5
Seriously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. So he had no friends and he had to sit alone at lunch. I understand how bad that is, but that's not bullying. Petty bullshit is not bullying. Please, Adam, stop. Sorry but I completely disagree. Adam is talking about kids who are alone and therefore easy prey for bullies and he has EVERY RIGHT to say what he's saying and he's 100% right. Kids need to find support systems that help them during what is for EVERY KID a difficult transition from childhood to adulthood. Even bullies are bullied by someone at some point. His point is that bullying comes from a PETTY place. Obviously if someone is physically harming you you can't ignore that but if someone calls you names or generally tries to make you feel like an outcast, ignore them. Giving them a reaction is exactly what they want. It's where their power comes from. as an aside I'm honestly SO tired of fans telling Adam to shut up. if someone calls you names or generally tries to make you feel like an outcast, ignore them. Have you ever experienced the level that name calling has gone to? Know a teen that has been practically destroyed by trying to 'ignore' remarks? These people are predators and they will chew at someone until there is but a shell left. Sat in a psych ward lately with someone who lost it because of those 'little name calling' incidents? Our society looks the other way. If we say all kids are mean, then they are. We, as adults, have then given them permission to be cruel by default. I believe we have given our children weapons..their mouths. Violence IMO is a natural progression when you see your prey down. What some of us were trying to say is that perhaps twitter was not the best place for this discussion because of its formatting.
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Post by fallenangel on Jan 11, 2013 19:30:53 GMT -5
Yes. Bullies control those they target by using disempowerment and by stimulating artificially high levels of fear, shame, embarrassment and guilt. This is true of all abusers whether they are school bullies, sexual harassers, violent partners committing domestic violence, or pedophiles. It is also standard psychopathic behaviour to reflect every attempt at accountability back onto the accuser and to plausibly portray their victim as the guilty party.www.bullyonline.org/schoolbully/myths.htmA very important issue has been trivialized in this discussion. I agree with those who have said it was entirely the wrong forum and wrong approach. People can only have the power over you that you LET THEM have over you! If you don't give them the power to control you they can't and they will eventually move on to someone who gives them what they seek. I come from a very abusive home situation, mental abuse that lasted into my early 20s. Name calling, put downs, snide comments, ridicule over the slightest things.....I let the people who were abusing me control me by being afraid to stand up for myself and by believing what they said about me. I took back my life when I stopped letting them have that power over me and stopped letting their words get into my head because I learned that their words came from their OWN sense of worthlessness and that they wanted me to feel how they felt. They wanted me to be miserable because they were miserable. I cut them out of my life and told them they weren't welcome anymore until they could treat me with respect. It changed my whole life. It got better because I made it better. THAT IS WHAT ADAM IS SAYING. I guess we're all thinking the same way but wording it differently. As I said before victims often hide what's hapening out of shame and because the bully makes them FEEL powerless. No one wants to become a victim, yet it happens. They get in your head and strip you of your power. What I was trying to get at before is that ignoring doesn't make things go away. And once you're in those types of situations you often feel like there's no way out. Until you can find some kind of support system that helps you get out and rise above it, things aren't going to change. BUT, the way Adam was wording it made it seem as though all change needed was on the victim's part. That was what I didn't agree with. The aggressors need to be held responsible for their actions and get help too (though of a completely different kind). He's worded it better in the more recents tweets so all is good.
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Post by murly on Jan 11, 2013 19:31:00 GMT -5
Sorry but I completely disagree. Adam is talking about kids who are alone and therefore easy prey for bullies and he has EVERY RIGHT to say what he's saying and he's 100% right. Kids need to find support systems that help them during what is for EVERY KID a difficult transition from childhood to adulthood. Even bullies are bullied by someone at some point. That's not bullying. What every kid goes through while they're growing up is not bullying. Name-calling is not bullying either. The word bullying, as he said a few tweets ago, should be reserved for other type of behaviour. as an aside I'm honestly SO tired of fans telling Adam to shut up. I never told him to shut up, nor did I imply that he wasn't entitled to his own opinion. And I said that in my first post about the matter. When I said "stop" I was begging him, not telling him. The intent is different. I was in a bad place. I apologize if it came out wrong. There are many degrees between "what every kid goes through" and actual physical abuse. To a kid with low self-esteem and self-doubt, name-calling can certainly be bullying--to the point that the kid commits suicide. Name-calling can be constant and vicious and demoralizing. But it is a form of bullying that can be deflected if kids are taught to believe in themselves enough to know that the words of the bullies are not true. It's when someone calls you "stupid," and you think, "I must be stupid," that it becomes a threat to your emotional stability. A kid who believes what the bullies say is at risk. That's not to be taken lightly.
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Post by momtomany on Jan 11, 2013 19:35:50 GMT -5
Boy - I wish I could be part of Adam's Twitter Forum; but I'm just not that savvy. I'm feeling ready to come back and post now and then; but this is a strange way to rejoin the discussions. I'm still so raw. My mother died and my voice has flown elsewhere for awhile.
This return is into a place and experience I'm very familiar with. I can't make complete sense of Adam's comments, yet. But I know they are coming from his truth. When I was eleven, the girls at school decided to hate me. Actually, one girl told the others this is what they should do. No fists; no blows. Just ostracization. As an outcast I just lasted through each day. I made it because I had love at home. I would walk home, after someone ripped my homework or emptied the jar of jumping beans I'd brought for 'show and tell', and I'd be comforted under my mother's chin. Adam had love at home, too. Later, I became a 'music nerd' and found myself in the choir room, with a circle of like-minded friends. Here, I found my core and my companionship.
We fast forward . . . I've had all these kids. All are doing great, I'm happy to say. My youngest has a mild form of Asperger's. We didn't know. There was no diagnosis, remedy, or way of coping back then. He just didn't fit. Oh, he was the target for every cruel twist of the knife at school. I pleaded with his teachers and the administrators. Guess what? They didn't like him, either. When he finally had enough, and ran away during recess, I found him walking home. All I told him was 'I love you'. Those true words - from me, from his father and his brothers - helped him weather the storm of those hateful years. He was tortured. Day after day I would watch him leave the car and walk to the corridor for class. I knew I was seeing the bravest person I will ever know. We had to threaten the parents of one of his tormentors with a lawsuit. Once, after school, he climbed into the car, and I took a 'post-it' note off the back of his jacket. It said 'kick me!'. 'Help' didn't take him through; love and support at home did. A belief in himself did.
I think Adam's experience was known, understood, sympathized, and worked through within the shelter of his family. That doesn't take away the hurt and the horror. It does, though, give one a place to hide. And learn. And gain strength. And be loved.
I know many children don't have this place; this hearth of warmth and love, when the rest of the world is dark and cruel. How do we reach out? How do we help?
Yes. Stop the bullying. And yes - find the vehicle for strengthening the bullied; the unloved; the children who don't fit in. It should begin at home. Sadly, doesn't always happen. I feel blessed. Nothing is lost on Adam. I think he feels blessed, as well.
I need to think of ways to help that reach to those who try to grow within a void of love. Maybe, then, I'll make a difference.
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Post by tinafea on Jan 11, 2013 19:36:04 GMT -5
I have been out today and have only seen Adam's tweets. I have only read the last page of today's thread and it is possible that all is well here. I sure hope there is civil discourse. Off to read now.
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Post by Albiku on Jan 11, 2013 19:36:09 GMT -5
Frecklesexual, I'm deeply sorry you went through such a horrid situation. I'm very glad you overcame it and took your power back. No one should go through what you did. Thank you for telling us.
However, I still think that sometimes bullies steal the power from you. Sometimes you don't give them the power. In my case, I never let their words get to me. I never let them drive me away from school, no matter how scared I really was inside thinking that they had made death threats against me. Honestly, I couldn't care less what they thought about me. But still, they didn't stop. Not only that, but I was completely helpless, because the adults in the school (the teachers) and the adults in the bullies' lives (their parents) never lifted a finger to help. The only adults who tried to help were my parents, but what could they do apart from taking me out of school (which they did, as soon as they could)? What could they do when no one with responsibility towards the bullies did anything? And what could I do, apart from defend myself as well as I could?
No, I never let them get to me. That's what pissed them off the most, actually. I was powerless, but it wasn't because I let them take that power.
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Post by geezlouise on Jan 11, 2013 19:37:30 GMT -5
To anyone who thinks you can just ignore or walk away and solve the problem, I suggest reading about Amanda Todd..... a tragic story well known by all Canadians........ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_ToddI'm hoping that she didn't die in vain and that things will change in our country because of her.
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