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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:54:32 GMT -5
Yes, but it's difficult to argue with them because they always claim Adam never charted anywhere and no numbers were ever posted. So, to them Adam's international sales is practically nil. Well, their claims are untrue, unfounded, and ignorant above all! Although let me put my "objectivity & fairness hat" on for a second  ... I guess if they're not Adam Lambert fans, especially if they're "detractors", chances are slim to none that they would find themselves on major Adam fan sites like Atopia, or Adam's wiki (both albums' wiki are fairly updated), or other non-Idol centered industry music sites checking out Adam's numbers. Besides, numbers are such a bore to most peeps anyway. Even a lot of my dear Atopians have never stopped by here, which is why we have to post those "flailing worthy" numbers in the main thread, again!  I don't have any firsthand knowledge or experience about the Idol bubble (Adam's season was the only reality singing competition show that I'd ever watched), but it seems to me that any conversational engagements with those narrow-minded FOOs is simply a waste of time. ![]() |
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Post by jean1010 on Oct 22, 2013 11:17:44 GMT -5
I am coming out of lurkdom just to say that I often read this thread and find it interesting.Thanks to Maddie509 everyone else that posts here. I was surprised by Scotty's numbers and has me wondering if P2 will be the one that defeats the Idol sophomore slump. There is no denying that he has done very well and luck has been on his side.
My personal little number obsession is watching Adam's official videos on youtube. Since youtube is the main way 18-24 year olds listen to music these counts are important, and I imagine possible labels pay attention to them. I am amazed at the hundreds of millions even over a billion of views some pop videos get. Those are really gigantic numbers given that the earth only has about 7 billion people. Adam is doing well for an Idol alum, but has a long way to go compared to a Katy Perry for example. The Trespassing Lyric video is finally closer to 3,000,000 than 2,000,000 having crossed the 2,500,000 line yesterday. Since it is the only single with Adam's writing credit, I wish it would move faster.
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Post by Daenerys on Oct 22, 2013 19:48:42 GMT -5
I am coming out of lurkdom just to say that I often read this thread and find it interesting.Thanks to Maddie509 everyone else that posts here. I was surprised by Scotty's numbers and has me wondering if P2 will be the one that defeats the Idol sophomore slump. There is no denying that he has done very well and luck has been on his side. My personal little number obsession is watching Adam's official videos on youtube. Since youtube is the main way 18-24 year olds listen to music these counts are important, and I imagine possible labels pay attention to them. I am amazed at the hundreds of millions even over a billion of views some pop videos get. Those are really gigantic numbers given that the earth only has about 7 billion people. Adam is doing well for an Idol alum, but has a long way to go compared to a Katy Perry for example. The Trespassing Lyric video is finally closer to 3,000,000 than 2,000,000 having crossed the 2,500,000 line yesterday. Since it is the only single with Adam's writing credit, I wish it would move faster. P2 isn't going to defeat the Idol sophomore slump just like I didn't think Scotty would. What surprised me about Scotty is how much of a slump he did. A 75% drop. P2 hardcore fanbase is even less than Scotty's and what will help him just like all the Idols is radio play. His sales are from coming of Idol as a American Idol winner. I don't think it's a guarantee that radio will jump on board for P2 second era. His singles were riding on the coattails of the Mumford & Sons wave and despite him selling a lot of singles I don't get that rising star, breakout artist from him. I don't see any real buzz with him. Fans were confident Scotty would breakout the bubble because he was country and male. That didn't work and he had way more promo than Phillip. I think P2 fans are falling into the trap of being way too confident and cocky that he will be the one to break the slump.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 22:49:47 GMT -5
IMO, if we take out The Olympics, which spurred sales of Home, my guess is that song would have sold about what WWFM did. I think of P2 in the same success realm as Cook and Adam. I actually think his sound alike to Mumford though puts him at a disadvantage. Many people have no idea who sings Home! I don't think his fanbase is as large as Adam's was coming off of Idol. I will be surprised if his sophomore album beats Trespassing's first week numbers. His big advantage after that first week, though, will be having Interscope's radio team.
ETA: forgot to post Scotty's Final number from HDD: 50,052
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Post by maddie509 on Oct 23, 2013 1:36:35 GMT -5
IMO, if we take out The Olympics, which spurred sales of Home, my guess is that song would have sold about what WWFM did. I think of P2 in the same success realm as Cook and Adam. I actually think his sound alike to Mumford though puts him at a disadvantage. Many people have no idea who sings Home! I don't think his fanbase is as large as Adam's was coming off of Idol. I will be surprised if his sophomore album beats Trespassing's first week numbers. His big advantage after that first week, though, will be having Interscope's radio team. ETA: forgot to post Scotty's Final number from HDD: 50,052Seems to me the Idol audience is a fickle bunch moving from one crop to the next (nature of the show, I guess), so it really doesn't matter how big one's fan base is/was or whose bigger. Labels undoubtedly always bank heavily on the first album, riding high on the tidal wave of the popularity all that, definitely a sure bet and guaranteed return on their investments. Sophomore comes around, so does another new crop of hopefuls; allocation of resources, risk factors and profit margins all play very active roles in their little song & dance. Kelly is the only Idol so far who has escaped the so-called "sophomore slump", and yes, largely because Breakaway came out in a totally different time and "a galaxy far, far away" :D, but more importantly, she had some really really good, relatable, mass appealing pop songs and most importantly, radio "loves" her!! Well, P2 has certainly had a luck of lightning strike, but does lightning strike the same spot twice.....?? |
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Post by maddie509 on Oct 23, 2013 1:45:34 GMT -5
Final top 10 on this week's HDD: ***** - 12 GAVIN DEGRAW/MAKE A MOVE RCA 26,301 -- ***** 42 47 AVICII/TRUE PRMD/ISLAND/IDJ 7,113 -9%
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Post by melliemom on Oct 23, 2013 6:28:28 GMT -5
IMO, if we take out The Olympics, which spurred sales of Home, my guess is that song would have sold about what WWFM did. I think of P2 in the same success realm as Cook and Adam. I actually think his sound alike to Mumford though puts him at a disadvantage. Many people have no idea who sings Home! I don't think his fanbase is as large as Adam's was coming off of Idol. I will be surprised if his sophomore album beats Trespassing's first week numbers. His big advantage after that first week, though, will be having Interscope's radio team. ETA: forgot to post Scotty's Final number from HDD: 50,052Seems to me the Idol audience is a fickle bunch moving from one crop to the next (nature of the show, I guess), so it really doesn't matter how big one's fan base is/was or whose bigger. Labels undoubtedly always bank heavily on the first album, riding high on the tidal wave of the popularity all that, definitely a sure bet and guaranteed return on their investments. Sophomore comes around, so does another new crop of hopefuls; allocation of resources, risk factors and profit margins all play very active roles in their little song & dance. Kelly is the only Idol so far who has escaped the so-called "sophomore slump", and yes, largely because Breakaway came out in a totally different time and "a galaxy far, far away" :D, but more importantly, she had some really really good, relatable, mass appealing pop songs and most importantly, radio "loves" her!! Well, P2 has certainly had a luck of lightning strike, but does lightning strike the same spot twice.....?? There are so many Reality Singing shows .. Pouring new singers out there with nowhere to go..I think You're so right newest guy/gal out there.. interesting.Flavor of the month. Tough business.Adam has been very smart.. so I believe he will have longevity. I still think TV, more than any other medium is the answer for Adam.. would love to see him have his own cable show..throwing this out to the universe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 12:08:38 GMT -5
It seems some of AI's most popular winners did worse than the others as far as soph album sales. I.e., Taylor Hicks, David Cook, Scotty. What happened to Taylor. Album sales were still pretty strong during the period he came off idol. He only sold 700K debut and got dropped before his soph album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 16:59:19 GMT -5
Taylor probably got the biggest FU from 19 and RCA of any Idol. They didn't even release a single until 3 months after the album came out! He is doing fine though. Has a residency at Las Vegas Paris and doing quite well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 19:34:11 GMT -5
Taylor probably got the biggest FU from 19 and RCA of any Idol. They didn't even release a single until 3 months after the album came out! He is doing fine though. Has a residency at Las Vegas Paris and doing quite well. Is that why he barely sold any singles in his career? Why didn't 19 and RCA like him? I wonder how he got this headlining show in Vegas, considering he hadn't gotten much visibility. The only thing I know he did were some travelling Broadway shows. |
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