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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 4, 2013 0:09:11 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, how many professional musicians are members here? I know we have a few. Would love to hear a Tommy critique from someone who is a professional guitarist. I think he sounds fine so would love specifics about what his problem is. ETA: pretty sure the guitar wranglers do the guitar tuning, no? Not a professional guitarist. Sorry. I play guitar, but not electric/rock. And, I barely notice the band members onstage. I am only interested in Adam. In fact, I get frustrated when I have to wait thru a guitar solo before Adam starts singing again. But, in Tommy's defense, no, he does not tune his guitar. If you watch closely, there is a guy who brings him different guitars for different numbers. That is because they have to be tuned differently for ease playing some of the keys Adam sings in, or because Tommy wants a different type of sound for a number. This guy is responsible to have the guitars all tuned and ready to go when needed. My little gripe is Brian playing key-tar. It is so much more limited than his standing keyboards. I want Brian to be playing with BOTH FRICKIN' HANDS to add depth to the sound. Not holding the key-tar with one hand while playing three notes with the other. And yes, I am a trained pianist. Haven't done it professionally, but my sister has for over 40 years, and what she can do on the keys is impressive. The key-tar is not. JMO. Totally agree about the key-tar! I'd love a real piano! But even electric keys would be much better than the key-tar.
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Dec 4, 2013 0:13:06 GMT -5
I guess I'm thinking that the band has performed these songs many times before and that "like riding a bike" after awhile you can pick up where you left off. I thought I heard that they had a long practice session before they played for the fundraiser a few weeks ago. I'm also thinking that Adam's musical director must have some responsibility for getting the band ready to play. After living with these songs for a year or more, I just can't see why Adam needs to keep investing in pre-concert prep. I'm sure he is paying all of them pretty well to show up and be prepared.
I guess where I see the need for the biggest adjustment is in the band's ability to improv when Adam starts leaving "the grid". My uncle was an accompanist for 7 decades. He could sit down with most vocalists and follow along with them as they were switching keys and tempo's and whatever else the vocalist felt like doing. He had an ear for that sort of thing.
Adam and his band are not out there week after week grinding out performances and learning from their mistakes. I know those of us here can identify which version of a song was sung where and that we are, perhaps, hyper sensitive when we pick up on performance differences. Would you expect 2 professional dancers, say on So You Think You Can Dance, to spend many hours learning a routine, perform it on stage in front of thousands of people, and then come back 5 months later, or even 5 weeks later, only practice their individual parts by themselves and not together, and then get back up on stage in front of thousands of people and do the routine together again for the first time in 5 months and do it as good as they did the first time???? It would never happen!!!! As the saying goes, you are only as good as your last practice! You have to work as a unit, not as individuals, to produce a beautiful dance. And that takes recent practice with each other to get back in sync with how the other person dances and how your parts mesh. I'm sure it is the same for a high quality musical performance by a group! Unless you are willing to settle for things not going as smoothly. You make a very valid point but I don't think playing in a band is as precise and visual as dancing. People get hurt when dances go wrong. I know I'm simplifying what I'm trying to say but if you are a professional musician you are being paid to be ready. I'm not even saying that the band was not ready. But, professional musicians, I would think, would be warmed up by the end of the first few songs to just go ahead and jam tightly for the remainder of the session -- especially if they were playing songs that had been practiced many times before. Adam's team know each other musically by this point and I'm sure they have an easy direction to work through a song and a more difficult direction depending on how they sense the flow for the evening.
It's been an enjoyable discussion! And, quite honestly, I enjoyed all the video's from the concert in Miami. It was great to see Adam, I miss him. If I was a casual Adam listener I wouldn't even know what you folks had been discussing all evening. (Well, I may have wondered about the unturned guitar.)
Off to dreamland. I wonder what topic will piqué our interest tomorrow.
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Post by restless on Dec 4, 2013 0:24:19 GMT -5
Thank you mys*&@^#r and nonotme for answering my questions. The article on IEMs was especially fascinating. I am so glad you posted the link! Sounds like investing in a first rate sound engineer is imperative. It also seems like a very stressful job.
I understand that musicians want to sound their best, but it was sad to read that the price paid is a disconnect with the audience. I have been to my fare share of live concerts; rock, jazz, and reggae and heard excellent music without the presence of IEMs.
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Post by cassie on Dec 4, 2013 0:29:55 GMT -5
Really good, experienced musicians KNOW how music is crafted. They know how a song is put together, how chords progress, what harmonies are used in jazz, rock, pop, blues, etc., how to riff and vary a musical line within the "rules" of that musical genre, and, consequently, how to follow and blend with other experienced musicians. If you have ever seen a group of experienced pros get together at a late night club after their separate gigs and jam, you know how they can miraculously sit down and create amazing music together without even knowing one another.
Yes, in order to do their best, top notch musicians rehearse together stringently, but, if they have been playing together for a long time, or for multiple gigs, they can really pick it back up with little rehearsal time. Also, a musical director's JOB is to pull the group together and rehearse/arrange numbers prior to the soloist coming in. So, I cannot explain why the group was struggling, if they were (I haven't bothered to listen to the YTs to determine that - I was just listening to/watching Adam). Lack of musical study and background? Theory and experience? Brian has a long history of formal and informal music study. I think Ashley has also studied formally. But, Tommy? Not really. He is a relative "newbie" and just doesn't have enough experience, training or study under his belt. He may be what Adam wants because of his look, his attitude, his musical tastes and his ability to learn and replicate a song, but I have not seen evidence of him being a seasoned, creative, accomplished ARTIST. IMO, based on knowing many very, very, very good musicians.
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Post by shimoli710 on Dec 4, 2013 0:59:48 GMT -5
First off Thank you for the amazing recap Q3! Alas I'm totally swamped with work this week and don't have enought time to watch all the vids from Saturday's concert. So I can't say if (in my opinion of course) Adam's band sounded good or not. Just... I wonder... was there a soundcheck? Because I didn't hear about any. And without a soundcheck, after a few months they didn't play together... I really don't blame them for any of problems that could happen (in addition - it seems to me, there were some technical issues as well). I quoted Mys*&@^#r before and I agree with her about the band talk. And I can't see it here on Adamtopia (at least not on today's thread), but I'm sure there are Adam's fans that like Tommy (and probably other members of the band) too. Oh and as regards the playlist (and Adam playing the same music again and again) - I (and I bet other fans here in the CR and probably other countries of Europe) would be thrilled being able to go and hear Adam sing those 'old and the same' songs live at a concert! Alas, this is not going to happen. Do US fans really realize how happy they are?You might have a point. But I live in the US and would have to travel over 1800 miles (2896 kilometers) to get to the concert last weekend and I live on the east coast. We are a very big country. So I watch the videos, and I would enjoy some different songs. ETA: Ooops, I thought you were saying how "lucky" we are. I'm happy too. Oops, I apologize Holst. I should have written 'lucky' not 'happy'. English is not my first language, so sorry for the wrong term. And I understand your words about US being a big country (and even thought about it writing my post). It's just, I've watched videos of all Adam's Trespassing performances (and a lot of his GNT concerts). And I agree, it would be nice to see him singing some different songs. Anyway, I'm still very grateful for anything Adam decides to sing at his concerts. And what I wanted to say in that last paragraph of that post was - no matter how many times I've seen all those songs on You Tube. Being at a concert and seeing Adam perform live would be a totally new and wonderful experience for me.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 4, 2013 1:12:39 GMT -5
Got to jump into this band discussion:
My biggest gripe with the present band is Rick, sorry Rick, no offense, but I just think he is the biggest problem. A drummer cannot make a band, but he can break a band and Rick imo does exactly that. Brian has to sometimes outright fight him, to get the right rhythm going. i.e. a reggae song cannot be played with a straight 1234 beat, you got to get that laid back swing that belongs with that music. Rick does not have the variety in his play, he just bangs away at these drums til the concert is done, pretty monotonous, actually.
Example: Here is the famous and beloved 'Is this love' from Australia, still with Isaak. First time they ever did this and you can see the band trying to figure out the rhythm in the beginning. It was hard for Tommy to start it up, but Brian and Isaak work it out in the back, once they got it they jump in and after a few more strums, Tommy's got it too and they were off and running. This was the very first time they ever did this song, and we all know how great this performance was. It did not matter at all, that they are not the most proficient reggae band in the world, they worked it out and they got there just fine and it was beautiful. And I love that Adam just works with them and gives them the time to grow into a song like this.
But since Rick took over, ITL was never great again. Rick is just not modifying his harsh and very straight beat. It is very difficult for the others to play against that, and Brian sure as hell is trying and Adam is clearly missing something too. Imo, any wish for tightness in this band is hopeless, as long as he plays the drums. And I don't think, he is that much part of the team, that a change in this position would be difficult for the others.
I think, that Tommy is technically just fine. But he is not a leader, and the instrument is called a lead guitar for a reason. I don't think he has that in him, tbh, personality wise. But I think he has more skills that just plain rhythmic guitar. Adam will have to figure this one out, depending on the music he makes going forward. There may be room for a first and second guitar, especially, if the direction is more rock leaning, and all visual and other clues seem to be pointing in this direction. But, if Adam wants to keep Tommy in lead guitar, then I sure can live with that too.
I don't have any comments regarding the others, I don't try to compare them to mega groups like Queen. Just not a fair comparison and just an unrealistic wish, if Adam wants to stay the solo artist that he presently is.
As far as backing tracks, vs. singers, I find that Adam's voice just blends better with male singers than with female ones. There are very few examples, where Adam sounded good singing with a female partner. They do exist though, i.e. Titanium with Angie Miller, or very different style - Slow Ride with Allison. But there are many examples, where it did not sound quite right, and his own backup singers were such an example. I also thought that he did not harmonize well with Cindy Lauper, or that Portuguese lady, forgot her name, tbh. With male voices, he has always sounded great, so far. Even if the singers themselves were less than perfect.
I don't know what Adam will do, he has changed so many times already. In matter of style, he is almost giving me whiplash right now. Adam trying out low maintenance? Adam preparing us for his grunge rock phase, lol? It is quite amazing, actually. Based on the videos, I'd also say that his heart was more into the rock songs in Miami, and the rest was just running on familiar tracks. I get the impression he is mentally in A3 and has to dive back into TSP mode for these concerts. He seemed to play with his old material, like a child that picks up a long forgotten toy. To me, he seemed happy, in a flashback kind of way.
The other, rather new side, I see in Adam, is a more serious side. His latest Lee Cherry pics are pensive and serious, almost stern. He uses twitter to send us articles about computer interaction and loneliness or about celebrities and honesty. I just see a more mature representation, but also a very honest and real one. It will be interesting to see, where he is taking all this in 2014.
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Post by seoulmate on Dec 4, 2013 1:13:18 GMT -5
Oops, I apologize Holst. I should have written 'lucky' not 'happy'. English is not my first language, so sorry for the wrong term. And I understand your words about US being a big country (and even thought about it writing my post). It's just, I've watched videos of all Adam's Trespassing performances (and a lot of his GNT concerts). And I agree, it would be nice to see him singing some different songs. Anyway, I'm still very grateful for anything Adam decides to sing at his concerts. And what I wanted to say in that last paragraph of that post was - no matter how many times I've seen all those songs on You Tube. Being at a concert and seeing Adam perform live would be a totally new and wonderful experience for me. awwww... you'll get there, bb!! Adam will come back to Europe and you'll definitely get to see him live, performing on a stage right in front of you!!
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Post by stardust on Dec 4, 2013 1:29:08 GMT -5
I wonder if Rick's poor quality drumming is making it more difficult for Tommy. They need a better drummer. I fear that Rick is one of Brian's buddies and it may be difficult to get rid of him.
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Post by shimoli710 on Dec 4, 2013 1:49:36 GMT -5
Oops, I apologize Holst. I should have written 'lucky' not 'happy'. English is not my first language, so sorry for the wrong term. And I understand your words about US being a big country (and even thought about it writing my post). It's just, I've watched videos of all Adam's Trespassing performances (and a lot of his GNT concerts). And I agree, it would be nice to see him singing some different songs. Anyway, I'm still very grateful for anything Adam decides to sing at his concerts. And what I wanted to say in that last paragraph of that post was - no matter how many times I've seen all those songs on You Tube. Being at a concert and seeing Adam perform live would be a totally new and wonderful experience for me. awwww... you'll get there, bb!! Adam will come back to Europe and you'll definitely get to see him live, performing on a stage right in front of you!! Thank you for the nice words seoulmate. Actually, I'm a very lucky girl - I've already seen Adam perform live, just not at a concert with his own songs from Trespassing and FYE albums. I saw him at the Life Ball in Vienna this year and I was at QueenBert concert in London last year. And seeing/hearing Adam at both of the events was mind-blowing! The best days of my life! I know how incredible can Adam be performing live. And I hope to hear those amazing songs from Trespassing FYE and *fingers crossed* the new album Adam's working on, live, having Adam on stage in front of me.
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Post by seoulmate on Dec 4, 2013 2:11:16 GMT -5
Thank you for the nice words seoulmate. Actually, I'm a very lucky girl - I've already seen Adam perform live, just not at a concert with his own songs from Trespassing and FYE albums. I saw him at the Life Ball in Vienna this year and I was at QueenBert concert in London last year. And seeing/hearing Adam at both of the events was mind-blowing! The best days of my life! I know how incredible can Adam be performing live. And I hope to hear those amazing songs from Trespassing FYE and *fingers crossed* the new album Adam's working on, live, having Adam on stage in front of me. omg!! Well, when it comes to seeing Adam perform live, you're doing way better than me!!
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