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Post by Daenerys on Dec 13, 2013 1:06:33 GMT -5
Note: Bold and black comments are Daenerys. I inserted my comments in blue. Q3.Adam and Queen toured in june/july 2012. His album dropped on May 2012. What artist that drops his own album runs and perform with another band singing cover songs. Does that sound like someone who is out to promote his own current career if he though he had one.
Q3: QAL Sonisphere was announced in February 2012 -- tickets went on sale Feb 23, 2012 www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17100301 If there was a Trespassing Tour, they probably would have wrapped some UK, Russian and European dates around the QAL concerts. ======> Possible, but not likely. This was decided prior to even the album release or the NCOE add on. Adam was very optimistic about TSP at the time. Thank goodness we all did not know any different about RCA. No manager who is serious about taking his still developing artist to a superstar level would hook him up with an irrelevant band. They might be legends but they aren't putting current music out which makes them irrelevant to the fans that Adam wants which is 18-49. If TSP was a priority no way the label would have OK a Queen tour. Just ask Kelly Clarkson. You don't cut into the label promo time unless they don't give a crap.
Q3: Adam's label at the time (Sony/RCA) had no say in Adam's preforming schedule. It was Adam's decision. RCA only had the license to release his recorded music.
The average concert attendee in the US is 47 years old, and that is where the money is. The average recorded music buyer is 52 years old (rock music much older, country music is younger). 18-35 and 18-49 is what CHR and HAC radio care about because it is the advertiser's target market.
Kelly Clarkson is really not a model for Adam -- her audience is almost the opposite of Adam's (looking at demos). There is nothing in common with these two artists except that they both can sing and they were both on Idol.
Adam did an extensive promotional effort for Trespassing including two US Radio promo rounds. QAL 2012 took about 2 weeks after the album was released and did not interfere with the Trespassing promotion.
=======> Really? Kiss-fm covered iHeart and had interview with Adam, because of this 40 yr old band. Go figure. He got great attention because of this. And Queen would not have had an iHeart stop without Adam either. There is a reason they got invited. Somebody in the US seems to like that 40 yr old band. And Adam. If you think Queen got invited because of Adam, I got one word for you FUN. They could have filled that night with many guest stars and it would still be Queen. Which proves my point without Queen there would have been a snowball chance in hell Adam would have been invited with an Album that tanked.
Q3: Queen did iHR because of QAL -- source: Brian and Rodger iHeart Radio interview -- and also reported in other news sources. Here is the RS report:
Another collaboration with someone who could sing the music would probably have resulted in an invite too, I imagine -- but that is just a guess.
Adding the two songs with FUN. was something that happened after the deal with Queen at iHR was made. They were planning to perform with FUN at the Grammys in January but had to postpone it because of Brian's knee. When they both ended up on the iHR bill, the collaboration was done at FUN.'s request. It was a nice moment live, but artistically a bit of a miss.
======> Really? Can't this be a case for Queen fans + Adam fans + Glee fans, + classic rock fans = Full arena calculation on part of a possible promoter. Why is this an either / or situation? NO. Not all Classic rock fans are Queen fans. Queen weren't even huge here in the US. Also the idea that Queen can fill MSG is delusional. Glee fans are not going to be buying Queen tickets. I'm positive about that.
Q3: I think there is NO CHANCE Queen will do an extensive tour anywhere, and certainly not in the US.
>> I do not know if Queen can still sell out MSG but in 2005 Q+PR sold out Continental Airlines Arena, East Rutherford United States.
Queen was big in the US with 6 successful arena tours in 1976 (some arenas), 1977, 1978, 1980, 1982. They stopped touring in 1986 and did not tour the US again until the 2005-2006 Q+PR effort.
The 1977 two NY Madison Square Garden and two Philadelphia Spectrum dates sold out in minutes in the pre-digital era -- when you had to buy physical tickets.
5 consecutive 80%+ sold out arena tours in 7 years in the US -- seems pretty huge to me.
The US tour leg of the World Tour 2005-6 (with Paul Rodgers) was booked into arenas with 25 dates in North America, and over 80% sold -- there were very low attendence dates in Portland, OR and Seattle, WA which was mostly a promoter issue.
No Queen is not as popular in the US as they are in most of the rest of the world, but they have grossed more from concert tickets and sales of recorded music tracks and albums in the US than any other country. So I have no doubt they will do something here. And, if they want to promote a mini tour, then they can probably sell out MSG.
Sonisphere was suppose to be a one time special event gig. When that got cancelled Queen scrambled for make up dates that led to the UK gigs. Kiev was a charity event. Again a special occasion gig. If there was a US TSP tour Adam would have been too busy with his own tour. We just will never know. When Adam's first era was successful and people asked him about Queen he didn't hesitate to say his career comes first we'll see in the future. Right now Adam is Queen go to guy. Like Talon said Queen talks up anyone who they are currently working with. What were they suppose to say to an interviewer coming of a successful show with Adam. No doubt in my mind that other guests would have been just as easy since FUN got featured twice. Legends like Queen get invited to events like this all the time with guest artists more than willing to join them. I do know for a fact without Queen there would have been no Adam invite by iHeart, At least not this year. As for Queen selling out arenas here in US. that's a complete contradiction to your past post where you said no way can Queen sellout MSG which I agreed with you than. Queen tour in 1977 was with Freddie not Adam. PR and Queen wasn't a the huge tour success either. I'm sure they can fill some some arenas here but MSG, nope. My guess is a handful of gigs if any at all they will do. Queen music in the US still sells well because we are now in a digital age. A lot of those sales are from people who already had the albums and are updating to their electronics. |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 13, 2013 1:08:01 GMT -5
Frank DeCaro @frankdecaroshow 18m Hanging with @adamlambert and pal at the Wowie Awards. @worldofwonder @jimcolucci pic.twitter.com/v5Wi8Gys3L  |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 13, 2013 1:12:32 GMT -5
Maximo TV @maximotv 7m @shadylady1031 @adamlambert No idea but he came just before the4 show started so I got video of his arrival, no interview, music was so loud Tracey @kinkykiedis 2m YAY!!!  RT @maximotv @ lovesummer22 @ adamlambert I didn't know he was coming to the event 1st annual WOWie awards. Posting video later on |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 13, 2013 1:19:02 GMT -5
I SO WANT AN ADAM ALBUM WITH VISUALLY STUNNING VIDEOS FOR EACH OF THE SONGS RELEASED WITH THE ALBUM - OF COURSE WITH ADAM AS THE MAIN SEXY STAR OF EACH VIDEO!!!American Idol @idolnewsaccess 1m Beyonce shocks the world with the release of her new ‘Visual Album’ on iTunes today – Download NOW! bit.ly/JdugD9Award-winning R&B artist Beyonce shocked the music industry minutes ago with the release of her fifth studio album - ‘Beyonce’. Yes, you read it right…the release! Billed as a ‘Visual Album’, the 14-track set is available on iTunes today! – along with 17 videos! Details below. “The self-titled set is the artist’s first visual album. BEYONCÉ is infused with 14 new songs and 17 visually stunning, provocative videos shot around the world from Houston toNew York City to Paris, and Sydney to Rio de Janeiro, all before the album’s release. “I didn’t want to release my music the way I’ve done it,” she states. “I am bored with that. I feel like I am able to speak directly to my fans. There’s so much that gets between the music, the artist and the fans. I felt like I didn’t want anybody to give the message when my record is coming out. I just want this to come out when it’s ready and from me to my fans.”
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Post by Daenerys on Dec 13, 2013 1:23:56 GMT -5
Outside the internet bubble his exposure is non existing. Occasionally he gets a mention on OMG insider, E! News, ET but the impact isn't there yet. The general public has seen him most recently only twice on Glee. All those "OMG! where has Adam Lambert been" tweets from Glee fans is because other than his yearly Idol appearance the general public rarely sees him. I hope all that will change. God, I wish Fox offered him his own Elliott/Starchild spinoff series. |
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Post by bridgeymah on Dec 13, 2013 1:27:24 GMT -5
This thread is probably dead but on the hypothetical Queenbert shows will he won't he discussion, just jumping in to say #itshiscareerandhecansingwhathewantsto
Not sure who it was upstream who said it (Q3 I think) but Adam is no one's puppet. If he does shows with Queen it's because he WANTS to do shows with Queen. He's a singer and he's said many times that singing Queen songs is something he enjoys - the fact that he is one of the very very few who can do them justice is just icing for everyone who enjoys it.
When it comes down to it singers sing. He is developing as a songwriter and performer, honing his instrument and along the way collecting accolades for his voice and professionalism. There will be pieces some fans love and others not so much and then he will turn around and do something no one sees coming after which we will all go - well of course perfect move. He is crafting an interesting and diverse career for the long haul.
#justhappytowatch
#carryon
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 13, 2013 1:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Dec 13, 2013 1:44:23 GMT -5
What do you think Adam/DMG should be doing? What good opportunities did they miss? What pop artist who does not have any new music and whose last (and only) US Top 10 hit was released 4 years ago has more going on? Most of the Idol alumni with similar or even better sales are on the "where are they now list"? Granted, most of what Adam has going on is because of his extreme talent and his likability and his openness to doing different things. Glee, for example, could have been just another guest star who was on for a bit and forgotten. It actually generated a lot of buzz, he prove he can act, and he proved he can be a musical comedy star. For a hiatus year, 2013 was very packed for Adam. And he is better known now than he was in mid-2011 when DMG took over his management. And more importantly, he has more credibility in the music business and an excellent platform for his next album. I was very critical of RCA after the leadership change -- specifically their A&R strategy and their promo strategy which made no sense to me. I think RCA (circa 2011-2012) blew it because they tried to turn Adam into an Adult Contemporary artist (BTIKM and NCOE) and never understood him or his fans. They envisioned recapturing all his Idol fans who loved Mad World. ** Finally, I expect Adam will strengthen/change his band for the next tour. But one thing I am absolutely sure of -- Adam will change his band when he wants to and no one will convince him to do it any sooner than that. And we know that when necessary, he is capable of making hard choices about his band. Adam is ambitious and has the fire in his belly to be successful. Does he want superstardom. No one knows. He could be happy just the way things are. He's been performing on stage and somewhat in the entertaining business since he was 10. I think it's in his blood. He may never get to supersatdom but I don't think he'll be like the other Idols on the "Where are they now? list neither. I find those other Idols somewhat less ambitious and lazy but maybe they are happy where they are in their careers. Who knows. In all fairness to DMG and Edge there is only so much they can do with regards to opportunities for Adam when you have an era that tank. They kept him on the radar enough for him to not totally disappear. When era 3 rolls around we will see what they are really capable of. I'm looking for more from Shoshanna when it comes to Adam getting exposure other than some obscure internet blogs. His exposure outside the internet is non existing. Q3: Finally, I expect Adam will strengthen/change his band for the next tour. But one thing I am absolutely sure of -- Adam will change his band when he wants to and no one will convince him to do it any sooner than that. And we know that when necessary, he is capable of making hard choices about his band.
Adam is going to do whatever he wants with his band. If he thinks they are the greatest band ever there's nothing we can do but his band sucks. John Mayer and Gaga just fired their managers and people around them. I think John's album went gold. Adam should be so lucky to have half their success but according to them their current era wasn't good enough. That is what pop stars do when they think things aren't going the way they think it should. It's all business. I think part of managements job is to make sure their artists have the best around them ex: hired help bandmates. I understand that budget plays a big role but I'm hoping with a new label if they see half the potential Adam fans see the budget will be there for the best. You have to put out money to make money.
Clearly you do not follow the print and TV media very closely. Adam's mentions in non-digital media for the past 90 days in the US and in Canada are more than Kelly Clarkson's. (I picked her because you mentioned her earlier.) There is no chance that Adam thinks his touring band is the greatest band ever but he likes working with them. And while they are not as good as Adam, his band does not "suck". John Meyer's album is not close to gold anywhere -- debuted at 144,000 -- much lower than expected. And they spent a ton on promotion. I do not follow him so cannot say why he parted way with his manager. Gaga's fired her manager, Troy Carter, and that appears to be more about Troy being involved in other time-consuming ventures -- his new label and technology investments -- and not related to sales or business performance. Not sure what either situation has to do with Adam. Artist management is not about who is in the band, it is about business development -- and in the current music business, that is about capturing the full value of an artist's commercial potential. 2014 will tell the story for DMG and Adam. That is when Adam gets control of the last critical piece of his business from 19 Entertainment -- merchandising -- and when he is free to cut a new label deal. Regarding Adam's touring band, they are fine for what he is doing now -- an occasional one-off concert. If he decided to replace Tommy, for example, he would not sell any more tickets -- so why do it? When he tours for A3, the touring band and other performers will be based on whatever the music is and whatever show Adam wants to present. And I am now spoiled because I have seen Adam with two top-level bands -- Queen and Chic -- in the past year. |
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Post by Daenerys on Dec 13, 2013 1:58:24 GMT -5
I OFTEN wonder what Adam thinks about career trajectory thing, savvy92. And, I agree, he rightly plays those cards very close to his chest - but wouldn't it be interesting to know? I know most everyone thinks BTIKM was not a good single selection, and I suppose the proof is in the pudding, but I really loved the mv, and bought the dynamic Adam portrayed in it. He is mostly "cozy sweater" Adam in his interviews, but I bet booze- swigging, sneering, "bad" Adam had a few things to say about/a few choice gestures for, the end of the RCA relationship. Right now, I love Adam being on "Glee." It's more eyeballs on him, more ears hearing him. I hope he has new songs, his own songs, soon, though, and that they could be featured on SOMETHING - DWTS, SYTYCD, a commercial, and/or a big movie. And I would love if the animation voice-over rumor panned out. Katy Perry can check all those things and more off her list, but she has been dealt some very lucky cards. Despite Adam being, IMO, more talented and just as good- looking, funny, smart, and personable, who knows if he'll ever play at the highest high-rollers' table? I would like an interviewer to ask Adam more about his ambition - if he wants to be as famous as he possibly can be (because that definitely has drawbacks) or how he would define success for himself. I think it's clear that radio acceptance is important to him. I agree the MV for BTIKM is pretty good and IMO better than the song. But it is not a great track. That is why it took years for someone to buy it and record it. Neither BTIKM or NCOE were written for Adam or suitable for his voice and style. Naked Love was not written for Adam but fits him well. WWFM is a perfect song for him. Adam has been asked this and usually says he wants a long career, or want to do this for many years. I think Adam has had a much harder time than other artists, in part, because he does not fit into any easy marketing category. If he wanted to fame more than anything, he could have been a mid-tempo ballad king for a year or two and been bigger. It just seems like that would bore him (and there would be no ATop if he did that because it would certainly bore me.)
All I know is, he seems really happy to me. So good things must be in the works. I've posted a lot today but I promise I'll go back into hiding. I wanted to just say some things on my mind. Adam is a throwback. If this was the 70s-80s he would have been a superstar by now. He's a theatrical, OTT and bigger than life performer(Freddie, Bowie). People just don't appreciate that kind of art anymore. The country is more conservative and rock, country are the music genre that America prefers. His image is rocker. Even when he glams it up he reminds me of the rockers back in the days. Radio no likey dancepop diva Adam. They want that only in the pop girls. Pop artist like Bruno and JT cross genres with RB mixed in that's why they are successful. I think there is a middle ground for him. Alt/ poprock is where he needs to be. Less production in his music. TSP was still too over produced. Adam said he has been listening to more Alt music. I hope he's inspired. |
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Post by bridgeymah on Dec 13, 2013 2:14:03 GMT -5
I agree the MV for BTIKM is pretty good and IMO better than the song. But it is not a great track. That is why it took years for someone to buy it and record it. Neither BTIKM or NCOE were written for Adam or suitable for his voice and style. Naked Love was not written for Adam but fits him well. WWFM is a perfect song for him. Adam has been asked this and usually says he wants a long career, or want to do this for many years. I think Adam has had a much harder time than other artists, in part, because he does not fit into any easy marketing category. If he wanted to fame more than anything, he could have been a mid-tempo ballad king for a year or two and been bigger. It just seems like that would bore him (and there would be no ATop if he did that because it would certainly bore me.)
All I know is, he seems really happy to me. So good things must be in the works. I've posted a lot today but I promise I'll go back into hiding. I wanted to just say some things on my mind. Adam is a throwback. If this was the 70s-80s he would have been a superstar by now. He's a theatrical, OTT and bigger than life performer(Freddie, Bowie). People just don't appreciate that kind of art anymore. The country is more conservative and rock, country are the music genre that America prefers. His image is rocker. Even when he glams it up he reminds me of the rockers back in the days. Radio no likey dancepop diva Adam. They want that only in the pop girls. Pop artist like Bruno and JT cross genres with RB mixed in that's why they are successful. I think there is a middle ground for him. Alt/ poprock is where he needs to be. Less production in his music. TSP was still too over produced. Adam said he has been listening to more Alt music. I hope he's inspired. I love the way discussions about A's career are so US centric (not). He has pretty decent followings in other markets and seems very interested in an international career. Yes US is biggest market but that doesn't negate international impact. For comparison Carrie Underwood came to Oz this year and couldn't sell out the same venue Adam easily sold out during GNT. Commercial Success in US is influential yes but doesn't automatically translate to other countries. Worth thinking about. Suspect Adam and management are. #justmythoughts |
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