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Post by nikki on Jan 11, 2015 22:20:44 GMT -5
mszue, just so you're sure, I didn't take any of your comments to be 'normative'.
I'm obviously in a different time zone, so my apologies if the discussion has moved on.
I just wanted to say that so much of what we've been discussing is based on the premise that success for Adam equals WORLD DOMINATION and WORLD SUPERSTARDOM and the path to that is unclear - and then we talk about the possible impacts of his 'gayness', we talk about the nature of pop song quality/pop market, the lead/follow debate, what it may mean that he doesn't write his own songs, performance style, even possible gay speech patterns, what the possible 'formula' might be ......
I really feel this is just a fan desire that causes a lot of angst/worry etc and it frames the discussion in terms that something is somehow 'wrong', which is inherently negative from my own POV. For me, it also takes the joy away.
Adam thanked us for being on the journey with him. I've never heard him talk about his aspirations other than in terms of longevity and diversity. That may mean a very different thing to his artistry. I never get the sense that he is sweating anything now, despite his ambition. I certainly get the sense that he is evolving and exploring and is happy to do that.
For all its so-called 'failures' in the marketplace (because it didn't catapult him to WORLD DOMINATION), Trespassing was the album Adam wanted to make as Executive Producer. It wasn't a pure expression because of issues with the label, single selection etc; but his artistry and what he wanted to say is very evident listening to the album as a whole. Remember the tweets between Adam and his dad about the album, when his dad said to follow his gut?
Adam is incredibly successful now, already, any way you look at it objectively. When the expectation on more/different success is added to the equation because his talent/voice deserves that to have happen, I believe that is an individual choice we make as fans and ultimately it adds nothing to go there.
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Post by kathy on Jan 11, 2015 22:24:05 GMT -5
Yes we all speak differently depending on the our audience. That is my point. He has a fan audience, and does not speak this way now in interviews. The origin of this conversation was that of mszue's posting... relating to Adam as a growing artist and how he chooses to display his sexual side/gayness in future concerts, and the possible impact on the future fanbase.
Maybe in real life depending on who he is with, he may still speak in this fashion. I have not heard him speaking like in interviews since those days...that is what I am saying. I do not believe it was the quality of the audio that caused the lispyness....just his style at the time. Just my view. This video is old and wonderful...and was re-posted only 4 days ago. It highlights implicitly the speech pattern, I am referring to. Maybe you are meaning something else??? Adam speaks at 12 seconds and then at 3:12 this second conversation demonstrates his speech even more so. interesting... I hear absolutely nothing unusual or different during both interviews... I guess my own surroundings are such that I perceive Adam's intonations absolutely "normal" ... During the Video on the F Word, fame, he sounded different. I seem to recall he stated this was done late after a very long day, possibly just tired and did not think/care to control/change his speech? Doesn't matter, just that I remember thinking at the first viewing he sounded different, more like the interview here. |
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Post by adamrocks on Jan 11, 2015 22:50:28 GMT -5
milkywayfairy @milkywayfairy 5m5 minutes ago Adam Lambert's Glamberts: youtu.be/bK0E-G7TZqg via Sara Marie @youtube |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 23:02:29 GMT -5
mszue, just so you're sure, I didn't take any of your comments to be 'normative'. I'm obviously in a different time zone, so my apologies if the discussion has moved on. I just wanted to say that so much of what we've been discussing is based on the premise that success for Adam equals WORLD DOMINATION and WORLD SUPERSTARDOM and the path to that is unclear - and then we talk about the possible impacts of his 'gayness', we talk about the nature of pop song quality/pop market, the lead/follow debate, what it may mean that he doesn't write his own songs, performance style, even possible gay speech patterns, what the possible 'formula' might be ...... I really feel this is just a fan desire that causes a lot of angst/worry etc and it frames the discussion in terms that something is somehow 'wrong', which is inherently negative from my own POV. For me, it also takes the joy away. Adam thanked us for being on the journey with him. I've never heard him talk about his aspirations other than in terms of longevity and diversity. That may mean a very different thing to his artistry. I never get the sense that he is sweating anything now, despite his ambition. I certainly get the sense that he is evolving and exploring and is happy to do that. For all its so-called 'failures' in the marketplace (because it didn't catapult him to WORLD DOMINATION), Trespassing was the album Adam wanted to make as Executive Producer. It wasn't a pure expression because of issues with the label, single selection etc; but his artistry and what he wanted to say is very evident listening to the album as a whole. Remember the tweets between Adam and his dad about the album, when his dad said to follow his gut? Adam is incredibly successful now, already, any way you look at it objectively. When the expectation on more/different success is added to the equation because his talent/voice deserves that to have happen, I believe that is an individual choice we make as fans and ultimately it adds nothing to go there. I had just such a wake up call recently. I was so unnerved by a fan discussion that I lost faith in Adam. It may sound silly but it was real. Over the course of about a week my love returned and I decided to make the Fireflies video to celebrate. I also changed the way I participate to protect the magic. |
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Post by melliemom on Jan 11, 2015 23:11:44 GMT -5
mszue, just so you're sure, I didn't take any of your comments to be 'normative'. I'm obviously in a different time zone, so my apologies if the discussion has moved on. I just wanted to say that so much of what we've been discussing is based on the premise that success for Adam equals WORLD DOMINATION and WORLD SUPERSTARDOM and the path to that is unclear - and then we talk about the possible impacts of his 'gayness', we talk about the nature of pop song quality/pop market, the lead/follow debate, what it may mean that he doesn't write his own songs, performance style, even possible gay speech patterns, what the possible 'formula' might be ...... I really feel this is just a fan desire that causes a lot of angst/worry etc and it frames the discussion in terms that something is somehow 'wrong', which is inherently negative from my own POV. For me, it also takes the joy away. Adam thanked us for being on the journey with him. I've never heard him talk about his aspirations other than in terms of longevity and diversity. That may mean a very different thing to his artistry. I never get the sense that he is sweating anything now, despite his ambition. I certainly get the sense that he is evolving and exploring and is happy to do that. For all its so-called 'failures' in the marketplace (because it didn't catapult him to WORLD DOMINATION), Trespassing was the album Adam wanted to make as Executive Producer. It wasn't a pure expression because of issues with the label, single selection etc; but his artistry and what he wanted to say is very evident listening to the album as a whole. Remember the tweets between Adam and his dad about the album, when his dad said to follow his gut? Adam is incredibly successful now, already, any way you look at it objectively. When the expectation on more/different success is added to the equation because his talent/voice deserves that to have happen, I believe that is an individual choice we make as fans and ultimately it adds nothing to go there. OMG Thank you for saying what you did...This constant why isn't Adam ruling the world is more about the folks saying it than Adam.. Invested much.. Somehow his shinning light upon the world stage makes some feel more important,more starlike.I guess you could call it living vicariously .This is Adam's life journey not his fans.. We are only invited to watch him live it,not to tell him how to live it . |
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Post by cheriemelissa on Jan 11, 2015 23:19:51 GMT -5
mszue, just so you're sure, I didn't take any of your comments to be 'normative'. I'm obviously in a different time zone, so my apologies if the discussion has moved on. I just wanted to say that so much of what we've been discussing is based on the premise that success for Adam equals WORLD DOMINATION and WORLD SUPERSTARDOM and the path to that is unclear - and then we talk about the possible impacts of his 'gayness', we talk about the nature of pop song quality/pop market, the lead/follow debate, what it may mean that he doesn't write his own songs, performance style, even possible gay speech patterns, what the possible 'formula' might be ...... I really feel this is just a fan desire that causes a lot of angst/worry etc and it frames the discussion in terms that something is somehow 'wrong', which is inherently negative from my own POV. For me, it also takes the joy away. Adam thanked us for being on the journey with him. I've never heard him talk about his aspirations other than in terms of longevity and diversity. That may mean a very different thing to his artistry. I never get the sense that he is sweating anything now, despite his ambition. I certainly get the sense that he is evolving and exploring and is happy to do that. For all its so-called 'failures' in the marketplace (because it didn't catapult him to WORLD DOMINATION), Trespassing was the album Adam wanted to make as Executive Producer. It wasn't a pure expression because of issues with the label, single selection etc; but his artistry and what he wanted to say is very evident listening to the album as a whole. Remember the tweets between Adam and his dad about the album, when his dad said to follow his gut? Adam is incredibly successful now, already, any way you look at it objectively. When the expectation on more/different success is added to the equation because his talent/voice deserves that to have happen, I believe that is an individual choice we make as fans and ultimately it adds nothing to go there. OMG Thank you for saying what you did...This constant why isn't Adam ruling the world is more about the folks saying it than Adam.. Invested much.. Somehow his shinning light upon the world makes some feel more important.. This is Adam's lifes journey not his fans.. We are only invited to watch him live it,not to tell him how to live it . AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by stardust on Jan 11, 2015 23:21:09 GMT -5
I do not care about world domination. The only thing I want for Adam is to do what he wants and be happy. I would hate for his joy in life to be lost.
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Post by cassie on Jan 11, 2015 23:22:56 GMT -5
mszue, just so you're sure, I didn't take any of your comments to be 'normative'. I'm obviously in a different time zone, so my apologies if the discussion has moved on. I just wanted to say that so much of what we've been discussing is based on the premise that success for Adam equals WORLD DOMINATION and WORLD SUPERSTARDOM and the path to that is unclear - and then we talk about the possible impacts of his 'gayness', we talk about the nature of pop song quality/pop market, the lead/follow debate, what it may mean that he doesn't write his own songs, performance style, even possible gay speech patterns, what the possible 'formula' might be ...... I really feel this is just a fan desire that causes a lot of angst/worry etc and it frames the discussion in terms that something is somehow 'wrong', which is inherently negative from my own POV. For me, it also takes the joy away. Adam thanked us for being on the journey with him. I've never heard him talk about his aspirations other than in terms of longevity and diversity. That may mean a very different thing to his artistry. I never get the sense that he is sweating anything now, despite his ambition. I certainly get the sense that he is evolving and exploring and is happy to do that. For all its so-called 'failures' in the marketplace (because it didn't catapult him to WORLD DOMINATION), Trespassing was the album Adam wanted to make as Executive Producer. It wasn't a pure expression because of issues with the label, single selection etc; but his artistry and what he wanted to say is very evident listening to the album as a whole. Remember the tweets between Adam and his dad about the album, when his dad said to follow his gut? Adam is incredibly successful now, already, any way you look at it objectively. When the expectation on more/different success is added to the equation because his talent/voice deserves that to have happen, I believe that is an individual choice we make as fans and ultimately it adds nothing to go there. I had just such a wake up call recently. I was so unnerved by a fan discussion that I lost faith in Adam. It may sound silly but it was real. Over the course of about a week my love returned and I decided to make the Fireflies video to celebrate. I also changed the way I participate to protect the magic. I so agree with you. I grew up surrounded by talented, creative, excellent musicians and performers. I've known many over the years. I do not, personally, know ONE who ever made it big in Hollywood, New York, on Broadway, or in the recording industry. NOT ONE. They certainly had the chops. They certainly had the training. They certainly worked hard. A number have been able to earn a living performing or teaching others to perform, but none have grown rich doing it. So, from personal experience, I know how difficult it is to make it in the artistic/performance world. I also know that the folks I know had more skill than most of those I see and hear in the pop music world. Perhaps that is why I so wanted blaky to make that video of Adam as a kid. Because I knew more than a few "Adams" in children's theater, school music programs, and community theater. Adam's story growing up and struggling to make it resonates deeply with me. I look at Adam now and grin from ear to ear, because HE MADE IT! He is a representative, a symbol for all those theater and music geeks I knew. A surrogate, as it were. One of "US" made it big time! |
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Post by adamrocks on Jan 11, 2015 23:26:38 GMT -5
I had just such a wake up call recently. I was so unnerved by a fan discussion that I lost faith in Adam. It may sound silly but it was real. Over the course of about a week my love returned and I decided to make the Fireflies video to celebrate. I also changed the way I participate to protect the magic. ....please don't let discussions upset you. I have learned to read everyone's opinions and get their different perspectives but I always rely on what I feel inside about a topic and just scroll when needed.  And I try to stay clear of the comment sections on articles.lol |
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Post by adamrocks on Jan 11, 2015 23:29:54 GMT -5
S∞NBERT @katyaglambert_ 3m3 minutes ago Tver, Province of Tver @adamlambert What do u think?
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And I try to stay clear of the comment sections on articles.lol