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Post by csquared on Feb 11, 2015 19:36:00 GMT -5
This has been a very interesting discussion. I see valid points on all sides. I'm curious 3ku1, what mistakes you feel Adam made ERA2? I am not one who blindly believes everything Adam does is perfect, but no mistakes jump out to me. He worked his tail off trying to promote bad singles that he had no say in.
Well what I mean, is its hard to tell. But I Think when RCA made Adam Exe Producer, it was their way of washing their hands with him. So if TP bombed, they could go covers album, or not deal with it. I feel touring Radio Stations was a pointless endeavour. His singles needed to go viral before Radio. I thought he made some strange choices with his band. Diddn't like the Vajayjays. Overall he had no clout, the clout he had with last era. Like someone said was the idol audience, that went away after a few years. Being out what 2 years and getting back into the scene, music is very immediate. 2 years is a LONG time to be out of the game. So BTIKM was a sensible, safe choice. But its not 2010. I always thought they should of gone Naked Love, then Cuckoo. But the single choices were odd, didn't really give an indication of his artistic vision. When Adam had a say (Trespassing single) it was too late. BTIKM to be honest was outdated lyrically and sonically, and it was only Adams incredible vocals (He would have been nominated for a Grammy for it, if not for the distinction between Male and Female Pop Performers). NCOE was a Bruno Mars reject, that once again Adam made solid due to his amazing vocals. I also felt the choice of spots for single launch was odd. No offense to Leno or Ellen, but that should be later down the road, once singles have been sent to radio, and its built a solid enough rotation. I hope this time around Adam gets a spot on SNL, or maybe the BillBoard Music Awards is feisable. A sizeable audience. For the record Trespassing is one of my fav pop albums of the past decade with Pinks Funhouse. It had so much potential, remember critics saying "It well be the summer of Adam Lambert". Unfortunately all these things didn't fall into place. And RCA just stifled Adam IMO. WB though seem different, and DMG have done an amazing job too.
I can't see that Adam made any big mistakes in Era 2. I don't think his band or his backup singers had anything to do with anything. It was the label's choice of singles and their failure to get radio to play them. Here in the Pacific Northweet, I heart BTIKM a very few times, and then heard NCOE a few times over about 2 weeks on a Victoria BC radio station. That was it. Great that Adam has had radio success in New Zealand, bu that's not a huge market in the world. Back to your statement about Adam making missteps in era 2, I just don't see anything he personally would have done differently other than some kind of outright rebellion against RCA.
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 11, 2015 19:54:07 GMT -5
Well what I mean, is its hard to tell. But I Think when RCA made Adam Exe Producer, it was their way of washing their hands with him. So if TP bombed, they could go covers album, or not deal with it. I feel touring Radio Stations was a pointless endeavour. His singles needed to go viral before Radio. I thought he made some strange choices with his band. Diddn't like the Vajayjays. Overall he had no clout, the clout he had with last era. Like someone said was the idol audience, that went away after a few years. Being out what 2 years and getting back into the scene, music is very immediate. 2 years is a LONG time to be out of the game. So BTIKM was a sensible, safe choice. But its not 2010. I always thought they should of gone Naked Love, then Cuckoo. But the single choices were odd, didn't really give an indication of his artistic vision. When Adam had a say (Trespassing single) it was too late. BTIKM to be honest was outdated lyrically and sonically, and it was only Adams incredible vocals (He would have been nominated for a Grammy for it, if not for the distinction between Male and Female Pop Performers). NCOE was a Bruno Mars reject, that once again Adam made solid due to his amazing vocals. I also felt the choice of spots for single launch was odd. No offense to Leno or Ellen, but that should be later down the road, once singles have been sent to radio, and its built a solid enough rotation. I hope this time around Adam gets a spot on SNL, or maybe the BillBoard Music Awards is feisable. A sizeable audience. For the record Trespassing is one of my fav pop albums of the past decade with Pinks Funhouse. It had so much potential, remember critics saying "It well be the summer of Adam Lambert". Unfortunately all these things didn't fall into place. And RCA just stifled Adam IMO. WB though seem different, and DMG have done an amazing job too.
I can't see that Adam made any big mistakes in Era 2. I don't think his band or his backup singers had anything to do with anything. It was the label's choice of singles and their failure to get radio to play them. Here in the Pacific Northweet, I heart BTIKM a very few times, and then heard NCOE a few times over about 2 weeks on a Victoria BC radio station. That was it. Great that Adam has had radio success in New Zealand, bu that's not a huge market in the world. Back to your statement about Adam making missteps in era 2, I just don't see anything he personally would have done differently other than some kind of outright rebellion against RCA.
NZ may not seem like a huge market to you. But getting radio success in NZ is just the same as radio success in the States. I know people in the states like to think were a small little drop at the bottom of the world. But NZ is as big as market as any country. Hence why a lot of US biggest stars always tour here, or visit here, just saying.
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Post by geezlouise on Feb 11, 2015 20:02:23 GMT -5
NZ may not seem like a huge market to you. But getting radio success in NZ is just the same as radio success in the States. I know people in the states like to think were a small little drop at the bottom of the world. But NZ is as big as market as any country. Hence why a lot of US biggest stars always tour here, or visit here, just saying.
I'm not from the US either, but this statement is just false.The NZ music sales market is not even in the worlds top 20. The 2010 data has it ranked at 29th. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_music_industry_market_share_data
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Feb 11, 2015 20:04:39 GMT -5
It's still a market, guys, and it's true that lots of artists like to play Down Under. #plusitreallyisagorgeouscountry ETA: FYI, Australia was #6 in 2012 and Australia and NZ trend similarly
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Post by suzie12 on Feb 11, 2015 20:08:10 GMT -5
I agree Adam toned down the glitter for era 2, and it made no difference spending/wasting time at radio stations w/ those RCA-selected singles. The singles were not good enough to warrant enough attention, no matter how wonderful Adam was in the interviews.
and yes, I wrote an angry letter to EW (or two) over the years.
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Post by geezlouise on Feb 11, 2015 20:12:56 GMT -5
It's still a market, guys, and it's true that lots of artists like to play Down Under. #plusitreallyisagorgeouscountry Not knocking NZ at all. It is a gorgeous country and is very much like the part of Canada I am from, but numbers are numbers.
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Post by csquared on Feb 11, 2015 20:13:13 GMT -5
It's still a market, guys, and it's true that lots of artists like to play Down Under. #plusitreallyisagorgeouscountry ETA: FYI, Australia was #6 in 2012 and Australia and NZ trend similarly Agreed, it's still a market, and it's a beautiful country (been there!). And the U.S. is not the be-all and end-all of existence, but it's a pretty big share ... ETA And I thought the main point of this conversation was about Adam's acceptance and success on US radio. We know it was different in other parts of the world (i.e. Good success in NZ, none at all in the UK).
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 11, 2015 20:37:31 GMT -5
Of course NZ market ain't as big as the States. But its still a viable market. Fever and Sure Fire Winner were also singles here. I am certain Fever went platinum over here. It peaked #19 on NZ Top 40. Of course this conversation is about US radio success. But it ain't the be end and end all too. Although its important in era 3.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Feb 11, 2015 20:41:56 GMT -5
ETA And I thought the main point of this conversation was about Adam's acceptance and success on US radio. We know it was different in other parts of the world (i.e. Good success in NZ, none at all in the UK). True, the convo is based primarily on US radio. But it was also interesting to see how/if choices in the US affected other countries' radio/music buying habits.
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Post by csquared on Feb 11, 2015 21:16:23 GMT -5
ETA And I thought the main point of this conversation was about Adam's acceptance and success on US radio. We know it was different in other parts of the world (i.e. Good success in NZ, none at all in the UK). True, the convo is based primarily on US radio. But it was also interesting to see how/if choices in the US affected other countries' radio/music buying habits. I think it shows that for whatever reason the program directors in New Zealand had more faith in the listening public than those in the US! And now that I'm completely confused, I'll bow out. We'll find out in a couple of months what the next part of Adam's story will be. I can't wait!
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