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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Feb 11, 2015 18:07:09 GMT -5
I think the thing ALL of us completely agree on is that WBR/DMG seem to be fully in his corner this time round and should help smooth the way for Era #3! ETA: I just think that they have their work cut out for them, potentially more than they would for another artist. #worthit
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 18:10:55 GMT -5
What happened in era 2 IS important to the conversation, IMO. There were still plenty of comments then by radio DJs about makeup etc. that IMO didn't do anything to help him. And no, I'm not saying Adam should have changed anything he was doing or how he presented himself. Yes, he had a top 10 hit in era 1, and WE know that he's done a ton of stuff since 2010, but, at least here in the PNW, there are a shitload of people who won't know any of that because his music has barely been a presence on the radio here. And when you ask where the discussion about barriers and hurdles is coming from at this point in his career, I thought this discussion was more about what happened earlier in his career, i.e. through era 2, and the hope that those barriers will be lower this time. I don't think anyone here is saying Adam should have changed anything in his presentation of himself, just that we hope public opinions have evolved so that just maybe this time there won't be idiotic comments about eyeliner or heavy makeup or openly gay. As far as RADIO, yes, it does feel to me like he's starting from scratch (again, in part of the country where he didn't get anwhole lot of exposure). I agree that he has a successful career and he has great opportunities. I don't think widespread radio success has been one of them, and I do think that's something he (and probably WB) wants. And is still the best way for his music to become ubiquitous. But the reality is that Adam's career has had hurdles that a straight artist would not have faced. Adam wasn't wearing nearly as much make-up during the Trespassing era as the FYE era so it's strange to hear that DJs were commenting on his make-up in that era. Perhaps it's a geographic thing since as you say he's never had much exposure in the PNW? In my area DJs never mentioned his make-up or sexuality. He was one of their special guests for their annual radio event in 2009 following the AMAs in fact. Adam certainly hasn't had a presence on radio for a number of years but he's been a presence in the music industry so I don't think it's like starting all over. Look at Pharrel. He hadn't had a song on radio is 2006 and what he did release in 06 barely made a blip on the radar. It is about timing and luck. Adam has worked with some of the best in the business in the past and he's working with the best in the business this time so I think he is going to do amazing. Maybe it's just that I refuse to worry about things I can't control. I hope for the best and will wait to see what happens. I think era 2 didn't go as well for two reasons: 1. RCA picked the wrong singles and 2. they didn't support the singles they picked.
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Post by csquared on Feb 11, 2015 18:15:15 GMT -5
okay fair enough but if he puts out music that the general public likes, as he did in era 1, shouldn't we expect he'll find the same result if he has the label support he needs, regardless of what hurdles/barriers might be there? It's his label and managements job to make sure whatever barriers there are are cleared IMO. RCA/19M did it in era 1 so I don't see why it won't happen in this era with WBR/DMG fully in his corner (as they seem to be). If the barriers and hurdles were to be truly cleared, and the music is what the general public likes (let's say they like it at least as much as WWFM), then yes, he should have an even better result, at least as far as radio play goes. If the barriers and hurdles are all cleared, he should have radio success over the entire country. I can't for the life of me figure out why he has had so little radio success in the long run in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver. For whatever reason, the only times I've ever heard Adam's music in public in the past 2-1/2 years has been in Home Depot and Ashley Furniture...
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Post by geezlouise on Feb 11, 2015 18:19:48 GMT -5
The opening two lines to this EW review show he was still swimming against the tide in 2012....... "Adam Lambert might be the only American Idol alum who considers purple eyeliner a daytime look. So it’s hard to understand why it took him so long to make his big gay dance-club album." www.ew.com/article/2012/05/11/trespassing-review-adam-lambert
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 11, 2015 18:21:44 GMT -5
Era 2 went badly because of 1. Lack of support from his label 2. And Adam making some bad decisions. But are we basing Adams lack of commercial success on radio on USA alone? What about internatonally? I still hear IIHY and WWFM in regular rotation over here. WWFM peaked #4 over here on our RIANZ NZ Top 40 Singles. #4 in Australia too. #1 in Poland. So I guess we always look at breaking in the States, as that's important. But the barriers that exist in the States, just don't exist over seas. Of course WWFM peaked #10 on BB Hot 100, that was a huge hit for Adam, a monster HAC hit. Now this proves doesent matter if its 2009 or 2015, release the right music, get a bit of luck and timing, anythings possible. While Trespassing generally bombed. NCOE did peak #6 on BB Hot Dance Club. It peaked #25 on the RIANZ NZ Top 40 over here. So theirs little tibit their and their. With great support from WB and DMG. He well need to pick the right singles, but I am sure he well. He's so unique and is one of a kind, I think Pop needs Adam Lambert, and Adam Lambert needs Top 40 mainstream success.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 18:38:25 GMT -5
The opening two lines to this EW review show he was still swimming against the tide in 2012....... "Adam Lambert might be the only American Idol alum who considers purple eyeliner a daytime look. So it’s hard to understand why it took him so long to make his big gay dance-club album." www.ew.com/article/2012/05/11/trespassing-review-adam-lambertI unsubscribed from EW following that review, not joking. Maybe I'm not remembering the others, but I don't recall any of the other reviews coming across that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 18:39:34 GMT -5
Era 2 went badly because of 1. Lack of support from his label 2. And Adam making some bad decisions. But are we basing Adams lack of commercial success on radio on USA alone? What about internatonally? I still hear IIHY and WWFM in regular rotation over here. WWFM peaked #4 over here on our RIANZ NZ Top 40 Singles. #4 in Australia too. #1 in Poland. So I guess we always look at breaking in the States, as that's important. But the barriers that exist in the States, just don't exist over seas. Of course WWFM peaked #10 on BB Hot 100, that was a huge hit for Adam, a monster HAC hit. Now this proves doesent matter if its 2009 or 2015, release the right music, get a bit of luck and timing, anythings possible. While Trespassing generally bombed. NCOE did peak #6 on BB Hot Dance Club. It peaked #25 on the RIANZ NZ Top 40 over here. So theirs little tibit their and their. With great support from WB and DMG. He well need to pick the right singles, but I am sure he well. He's so unique and is one of a kind, I think Pop needs Adam Lambert, and Adam Lambert needs Top 40 mainstream success. exactly.
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Post by rama on Feb 11, 2015 18:46:45 GMT -5
This has been a very interesting discussion. I see valid points on all sides. I'm curious 3ku1, what mistakes you feel Adam made ERA2? I am not one who blindly believes everything Adam does is perfect, but no mistakes jump out to me. He worked his tail off trying to promote bad singles that he had no say in.
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Post by LindaG23 on Feb 11, 2015 19:15:38 GMT -5
I think era 2 didn't go as well for two reasons: 1. RCA picked the wrong singles ... There is a point to be made here that I think is relevant. I agree that Trespassing had far better songs on it than the singles chosen, so why were they chosen and the others not chosen. I am going to start with an analogy, a women and a man are in consideration for a job, the woman has by far the better credentials and yet the man is chosen. Why, usually because he is a man (I am eliminating nepotism here) and this is discrimination. This is happening less and less but it still happens everyday. So, Adam has two songs in consideration for a single, both have interesting collaborations but one is by far a better song, so why was the lesser song chosen. Probably because of the gay connotations/references which most of the best songs on Trespassing had. The safe song was chosen and that is discrimination. It is not overt, it cannot be proven by me, but it is inherently obvious. It was also unsuccessful. I don't think that Adam has faced endless struggles, but he has had some barriers to cross and his label's bias was one of them.
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 11, 2015 19:19:23 GMT -5
This has been a very interesting discussion. I see valid points on all sides. I'm curious 3ku1, what mistakes you feel Adam made ERA2? I am not one who blindly believes everything Adam does is perfect, but no mistakes jump out to me. He worked his tail off trying to promote bad singles that he had no say in.
Well what I mean, is its hard to tell. But I Think when RCA made Adam Exe Producer, it was their way of washing their hands with him. So if TP bombed, they could go covers album, or not deal with it. I feel touring Radio Stations was a pointless endeavour. His singles needed to go viral before Radio. I thought he made some strange choices with his band. Diddn't like the Vajayjays. Overall he had no clout, the clout he had with last era. Like someone said was the idol audience, that went away after a few years. Being out what 2 years and getting back into the scene, music is very immediate. 2 years is a LONG time to be out of the game. So BTIKM was a sensible, safe choice. But its not 2010. I always thought they should of gone Naked Love, then Cuckoo. But the single choices were odd, didn't really give an indication of his artistic vision. When Adam had a say (Trespassing single) it was too late. BTIKM to be honest was outdated lyrically and sonically, and it was only Adams incredible vocals (He would have been nominated for a Grammy for it, if not for the distinction between Male and Female Pop Performers). NCOE was a Bruno Mars reject, that once again Adam made solid due to his amazing vocals. I also felt the choice of spots for single launch was odd. No offense to Leno or Ellen, but that should be later down the road, once singles have been sent to radio, and its built a solid enough rotation. I hope this time around Adam gets a spot on SNL, or maybe the BillBoard Music Awards is feisable. A sizeable audience. For the record Trespassing is one of my fav pop albums of the past decade with Pinks Funhouse. It had so much potential, remember critics saying "It well be the summer of Adam Lambert". Unfortunately all these things didn't fall into place. And RCA just stifled Adam IMO. WB though seem different, and DMG have done an amazing job too.
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