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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 11, 2015 21:34:17 GMT -5
NZ may be a bit more liberal then US. Adam mentioned this while he was here in 2010 and 2012. He appreciated that. So NZ radio DJ's and Stations, don't have the same hangups SOME US Radio Stations may have. I remember one of his first interviews on NZ tv. On Campbell Live (NZ most watched Topical Daily Show). And the response why does it matter your gay lol. And Adam was like America are still behind the rest of the world. I remember Adam saying music is a Post Gay world. Until its past that, but I Think things are changing a lot clearly. Adam was also a megastar in NZ in 2010. His GN Tour in 2010 was the biggest tour in NZ that year, up their with Gagas tour and Katy Perrys. FYE Peaked at #3 over here. WWFM MV made the Top 100 Music Videos of 2010 on NYE special at 15 I think. I am just saying success abroad is just as important.
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Post by Jablea on Feb 12, 2015 0:19:50 GMT -5
I agree Adam toned down the glitter for era 2, and it made no difference spending/wasting time at radio stations w/ those RCA-selected singles. The singles were not good enough to warrant enough attention, no matter how wonderful Adam was in the interviews. and yes, I wrote an angry letter to EW (or two) over the years. I still swear their was a weird radio edit on BTIKM because the one time I heard it on my car radio and turned it up to listen I actually cringed and had to turn it back down. I don't remember what it was but something that was not pleasant with the whole thing, instruments and everything. The CD version had some gorgeous vocals etc and yes, I've had other radio songs up loud in my car with no problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 2:15:52 GMT -5
I agree Adam toned down the glitter for era 2, and it made no difference spending/wasting time at radio stations w/ those RCA-selected singles. The singles were not good enough to warrant enough attention, no matter how wonderful Adam was in the interviews. and yes, I wrote an angry letter to EW (or two) over the years. I still swear their was a weird radio edit on BTIKM because the one time I heard it on my car radio and turned it up to listen I actually cringed and had to turn it back down. I don't remember what it was but something that was not pleasant with the whole thing, instruments and everything. The CD version had some gorgeous vocals etc and yes, I've had other radio songs up loud in my car with no problem. OMG!, I can't believe you said that. I had exactly the same experience, heard the song a couple of times in the car on satellite radio and thought what the hell. The song was pitched up so high, very unpleasant. Painful to listen to. I thought it was just my radio since I never heard anyone else comment on it.
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Post by Jablea on Feb 12, 2015 5:31:41 GMT -5
Yes, there are now two of us in the #adamwasscrewedbytheradioedit group. I've mentioned it on here once a year or so but you are the first to agree. I decided it was no wonder that nobody other than glamberts were calling radio stations about it. I'm copying this over to page 1 and see if we can add members to our group.
Did anyone else feel that the radio edit of BTIKM was sonically off in some way?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:18:47 GMT -5
I think era 2 didn't go as well for two reasons: 1. RCA picked the wrong singles ... There is a point to be made here that I think is relevant. I agree that Trespassing had far better songs on it than the singles chosen, so why were they chosen and the others not chosen. I am going to start with an analogy, a women and a man are in consideration for a job, the woman has by far the better credentials and yet the man is chosen. Why, usually because he is a man (I am eliminating nepotism here) and this is discrimination. This is happening less and less but it still happens everyday. So, Adam has two songs in consideration for a single, both have interesting collaborations but one is by far a better song, so why was the lesser song chosen. Probably because of the gay connotations/references which most of the best songs on Trespassing had. The safe song was chosen and that is discrimination. It is not overt, it cannot be proven by me, but it is inherently obvious. It was also unsuccessful. I don't think that Adam has faced endless struggles, but he has had some barriers to cross and his label's bias was one of them. I think the singles were picked for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with tone/content and everything to do with who wrote/produced them.
BTIKM - written and produced by Dr. Luke - known hit maker, radio darling NCOE - written and produced by Bruno Mars/Dr. Luke - known hit makers, radio darlings
Remember that Nile Rogers and Pharrel weren't the same Nile and Pharrell they are today. Neither had had any major success in years when Adam worked with them. He was way ahead of the curve on that one, as was the sound they created on Shady/Kickin In. I think had Adam's album come out a year later with those two on it those songs would have easily been up for consideration as singles because Nile and Pharrell were hot tickets.
With BTIKM I think they thought he could recreate the WWFM feeling of vulnerability and connect with the listeners. He did to some degree, the song peaked on HAC at #19 but it was nowhere near as radio ready as WWFM and there was no "backstory" to connect it to like he had with the AMAs and the backlash from that.
eta: yes, there is a weird sound on BTIKM. I couldn't listen to it because I could always detect this tinny/metally sound that just annoyed the crap out of me.
I have really enjoyed this discussion and want to thank everyone who has participated.
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Post by LindaG23 on Feb 12, 2015 18:09:35 GMT -5
I agree that Dr. Luke and Bruno Mars were big and Nile and Pharell not so much, but that is just not enough. RCA shopped around other songs or should I say DJ tested them. Although I know our reports might not reflect all the inside scoop, what we heard was that the highest tested were not chosen. Also they did, after all, ask Adam to work with Pharell so why would they not give those songs some preference. The desperation Bruno move seemed to come after they heard the main tracks. So, I do not think we can know that Dr. Luke/Bruno were the reason the songs were chosen anymore than other valid reasons; as much as we might wish it were that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 22:08:03 GMT -5
I agree that Dr. Luke and Bruno Mars were big and Nile and Pharell not so much, but that is just not enough. RCA shopped around other songs or should I say DJ tested them. Although I know our reports might not reflect all the inside scoop, what we heard was that the highest tested were not chosen. Also they did, after all, ask Adam to work with Pharell so why would they not give those songs some preference. The desperation Bruno move seemed to come after they heard the main tracks. So, I do not think we can know that Dr. Luke/Bruno were the reason the songs were chosen anymore than other valid reasons; as much as we might wish it were that simple.where did people hear about reports of other songs being shopped around and the highest tested not being chosen? Is there an insider who posts here who shared information during the initial stages of Trespassing? Can someone link me to those discussions?
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