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Post by bridgeymah on Jan 24, 2019 20:05:26 GMT -5
Oh, I did use some of it in one of my posts as well. And I noticed, that my opinions weren’t that popular. I just find it totally exaggerated, that there are even fans now, who want to get rid of their QAL tickets. Or glamberts, who want Adam to break with Queen, because of this. It’s simply nuts, what’s going on. Until now it’s still a minor thing, I just hope, this will be over soon... I noticed I always embrace opinions that go against the common grain as they make me think. I think everybody is free to sell their QAL tickets while others are probably happy to buy them up. We are in fact dealing with a highly sensitive issue. I understand that many people are overtaken by emotions due to personal experiences of sexual abuse or stories from loved ones, and I do not intend to diminish the seriousness of sexual abuse and the importance of the #MeToo movement, however I think it is equally important to acknowledge the fact that BS is innocent until proven guilty, so for me to blacklist anybody who has been associated with him is totally overblown. Do I wish that Adam's name would never be mentioned in connection with Brian Singer's "inner circles"? Yes. Most definitely. To get back to Brian's inspiring IG post, I hope that those who have suffered sexual assault will have the COURAGE to come forward, so justice can be done. There is no small amount of hysteria associated with #metoo and many jumping into the fray have no clue about it's roots. All that aside sexual abuse is awful and yes people who make accusations should have benefit of due process, as should people accused. I also feel for all public figures caught in the web of the backlash around accusations towards people they know. They are often in an impossible situation and will be damned by one side or the other no matter what they do. Should (alleged) acts by someone in past completely negate effort and accomplishment of their more recent work? I don't know the answer. To paraphrase stoic philosopher Epictetus - all I control are my thoughts and actions, so those of others should not disquiet me...
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Post by nightowl on Jan 24, 2019 20:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by sizzling63 on Jan 24, 2019 20:15:13 GMT -5
Well, I have logged on to a firestorm. Unfortunately, we are living in an age of self-censorship (I imagine that the majority of posters have to think about whether to even post something without thinking, worrying, or imagining the backlash. I have also done this). I’m not saying don’t think before you post—that can be a good thing. What I’m talking about goes far deeper here. I believe and/or hope this will be over for Brian soon, because the other side of self-censorship, of course, is other people trying to censor others or just vomiting out vitriol based on whatever. That said, I think that Brian is the master of instagram in the way that every few days, he posts something concrete that people can relate to, whether it is him sweaty and wishing to have been doing something else than exercising to a brief lesson on some phenomena in the sky, to today’s post about the Native American painting and his planning on co-writing a book on the liminal, etc....experiences of each group. He also posts some mysterious pictures and may post a hint about them. But he always keeps each post accessible, and he often ends the post with something like “What do you think, folks?”. Bri I really, really wish Adam would do something like this, with his own spin on it, and not so much pictures from parties, often taken by friends, or all of those pictures that need to be opened up. He is smart, articulate, and funny, and I think spending the relatively short amount of time doing something like this would pay off in spades. I never knew there had been people who had actually wanted Adam to separate from Queen. “Mind your own soup”, I have heard from older relatives in the Deep South where I was born. So many entitled opinions of all sorts on social media make me step back and take a breath. It's toxic. However, following Brian on IG is refreshing for me. He is an intelligent man and a brave and spirited soul and he seems to be secure enough in himself to make himself vulnerable, to question things, and be open to feedback. If he gets pissed, he doesn't hide it either. I agree that it would be wonderful if Adam did similar things at some point, as I am not interested in his party pics and superficialities like that. I thanked Brian for his post on Native Americans and his message about courage, and I encouraged him to consider following through with that movie on how the West was... "lost". I still need to find out about his song "White Man".
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Post by sizzling63 on Jan 24, 2019 20:17:46 GMT -5
I noticed I always embrace opinions that go against the common grain as they make me think. I think everybody is free to sell their QAL tickets while others are probably happy to buy them up. We are in fact dealing with a highly sensitive issue. I understand that many people are overtaken by emotions due to personal experiences of sexual abuse or stories from loved ones, and I do not intend to diminish the seriousness of sexual abuse and the importance of the #MeToo movement, however I think it is equally important to acknowledge the fact that BS is innocent until proven guilty, so for me to blacklist anybody who has been associated with him is totally overblown. Do I wish that Adam's name would never be mentioned in connection with Brian Singer's "inner circles"? Yes. Most definitely. To get back to Brian's inspiring IG post, I hope that those who have suffered sexual assault will have the COURAGE to come forward, so justice can be done. There is no small amount of hysteria associated with #metoo and many jumping into the fray have no clue about it's roots. All that aside sexual abuse is awful and yes people who make accusations should have benefit of due process, as should people accused. I also feel for all public figures caught in the web of the backlash around accusations towards people they know. They are often in an impossible situation and will be damned by one side or the other no matter what they do. Should (alleged) acts by someone in past completely negate effort and accomplishment of their more recent work? I don't know the answer. To paraphrase stoic philosopher Epictetus - all I control are my thoughts and actions, so those of others should not disquiet me... Perfect.
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Post by relaxingoceanfront on Jan 24, 2019 20:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by svca on Jan 24, 2019 20:30:02 GMT -5
Today proves exactly what I was trying to say yesterday...mass hysteria and mob mentality.
Should BS pay for his sins, if true, YES...absolutely. But should everyone on the fringes of his world be punished or destroyed...as seems to be the consensus on social media today....no, I don't agree with that. Neither Rami or any of his costars have anything to do with whatever Brian has been accused of (don't know the details of the accusations and definitely not in the mood to research).
And I find it fascinating that this sudden firestorm coincides with the Oscar announcements...interesting timing. I don't remember all this hysteria at the time of the Golden Globes.
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Post by lurleene on Jan 24, 2019 21:04:04 GMT -5
Today proves exactly what I was trying to say yesterday...mass hysteria and mob mentality. Should BS pay for his sins, if true, YES...absolutely. But should everyone on the fringes of his world be punished or destroyed...as seems to be the consensus on social media today....no, I don't agree with that. Neither Rami or any of his costars have anything to do with whatever Brian has been accused of (don't know the details of the accusations and definitely not in the mood to research). And I find it fascinating that this sudden firestorm coincides with the Oscar announcements...interesting timing. I don't remember all this hysteria at the time of the Golden Globes.
That is because it was not there. But it all started to change when BR beat out ASIB. People were not only angry because Gaga did not win best actress but they went nuts when BR beat out the movie. The social media take down started then. Even tho Rami and the producer failed to acknowledge BS in their acceptance speeches that was not enough. They wanted to know why they did not mention him. Knowing darn well if they had they would have been crucified. And Singer did not help matters by coming out to claim his credit after the win. But the well placed article after their Oscar nominations was perfect. There were allegations against Singer back when he was directing the X Men movies but I guess that was okay because they were not gay related movies. He has been hired to direct another big picture but they must punish BR.
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Post by bamafan on Jan 24, 2019 21:18:10 GMT -5
Today proves exactly what I was trying to say yesterday...mass hysteria and mob mentality. Should BS pay for his sins, if true, YES...absolutely. But should everyone on the fringes of his world be punished or destroyed...as seems to be the consensus on social media today....no, I don't agree with that. Neither Rami or any of his costars have anything to do with whatever Brian has been accused of (don't know the details of the accusations and definitely not in the mood to research). And I find it fascinating that this sudden firestorm coincides with the Oscar announcements...interesting timing. I don't remember all this hysteria at the time of the Golden Globes. That's what I was thinking. Where was the hysteria at the Globes and other awards shows. Is it because The Atlantic article on Singer brought it all back public right now? GLAAD, the Advocate, etc. already knew about Singer's alleged behavior....and now they're outraged and want to punish the film? Unfortunate timing for the Oscars...whether possibly deliberate or not. There was no way BR was going to win Best Picture.IMO...but I had my fingers crossed for Rami, but this voting Hollywood crowd may not want to reward the film at all. Guess we'll see. ETA: I had forgotten about all the love in Hollywood and the gay community for Gaga and ASIB.....so guess it may be revenge time.
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Post by nonotme on Jan 24, 2019 21:25:50 GMT -5
Thanks, and yes, I can also understand both sides of the story - meaning Brian’s and that of his critics. Yes, going by the law, Brian is right. The problem in the case of sexual abuse is, that you can barely prove it. Because there are usually no witnesses. So from a moral standpoint, that statement is very shaky. As I mentioned yesterday: Queen cannot give a statement, that will satisfy everyone. They and FOX knew about Singer‘s past, when he was hired. And they simply can’t speak up against him now, because legally, they would be wrong. It’s a bad situation and as you and others said, I would wish, that people would differentiate between the movie and the person. That’s all. I know nothing, but maybe Brian & Roger knew something about Mr Singer's past, but not necessarily anything like what has come out in the accusations.
It is possible to hear rumors, but not know the big picture. I've had that experience. It was about something else - drug use - yet created a situation where people were accused of covering up something they really did not know much about. In short, a well known teacher in an alternative program that sort of overlapped with the program where I worked was rumored to be using drugs. Staff in his program and staff in mine heard the rumors, yet didn't know if it was casual use of MJ at his home or something else. Lots of non-profits and human service agencies still had him come as a speaker to various public events. (Not my program. We weren't sponsoring such events so it never came up for us.)
Anyway, after a while we found out from some of his students that he was "napping" in his car at lunch and often did not return to the classroom until quite some time after lunch. They suspected he was using heroin. He was on administrative leave while things were investigated when he died of an overdose (not a suicide) about a week after his students finally told staff what was going on. After that there was quite a push for the staff in his program and ours to tell why they had "covered up" his serious drug use. We really knew nothing significant until his students spoke up.
All this just to say that Brian and Roger may not have known much about what was going on with Mr Singer. Who knows, maybe FOX didn't know much either. Just a thought, a possibility.
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Post by bamafan on Jan 24, 2019 22:49:31 GMT -5
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