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Post by Jablea on Oct 10, 2011 10:21:00 GMT -5
Jablea, just to be clear, Tommy is not involved in these recordings at all. Since I pretty much can't stand to listen to any of the CV songs I don't think I've heard any of the studio recordings just the youtubes of the live events. I've always heard Monty say "I put together a band so I figured they'd keep the same players on the recordings as they did for the live stuff. So did they use another session instrument player for the studio recordings? Would it actually be considered CV if the bad guy would just rename it without Tommy(prong)? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 10:23:35 GMT -5
Jablea, just to be clear, Tommy is not involved in these recordings at all. Since I pretty much can't stand to listen to any of the CV songs I don't think I've heard any of the studio recordings just the youtubes of the live events. I've always heard Monty say "I put together a band so I figured they'd keep the same players on the recordings as they did for the live stuff. So did they use another session instrument player for the studio recordings? Would it actually be considered CV if the bad guy would just rename it without Tommy(prong)? The CV band was comprised of band people Monte knew from his Madonna days . Tommy wasn't even in the picture back then. Where are you getting Tommy from? He's not in the CV pics. ETA: Thanks, Bridget. I get it now. "My bad!"  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 10:28:27 GMT -5
Tommy Victor (from Prong) was in CV.
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Post by JazzRocks on Oct 10, 2011 10:30:18 GMT -5
Finally finished getting caught up by reading THIS ENTIRE THREAD this morning. I doubt anyone wants the discussion to continue much longer so I'll just go on record as saying that I completely support posting all sides of all topics on this forum, as long as Adam is treated with respect and love. And he has been.
My own opinion is like Suzie's. In a nutshell:
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Post by wonderstruck on Oct 10, 2011 10:32:14 GMT -5
Rejoining the fun here ;D  We don't know if there was an agreement to release these songs to the public prior to their finalization in the studio. He recorded the CV songs in hopes of getting a record deal, that didn't happen and therefore the CV songs are no longer representative of who Adam is as an artist. Monte and Tommy from Prong are merely musical instruments playing in the background. It is not their voice or their reputation on the line here, it is Adam's. The phrase "now that Adam is a big shot" strikes me as being somewhat hostile toward Adam because he's made a name for himself as a solo artist. IMO Adam's feelings do out weigh those of the other two because it's not Beg For Mercy by Monte Pittman or Beg For Mercy by Tommy of Prong. It is Beg For Mercy by Adam Lambert. His name, his fan base, his voice. Whoever is releasing these tracks had them as far back as 2005 and yet they never went anywhere. Do you suppose if Monte were still with Madonna and Adam had never made it past Hollywood round on Idol this album would be released? No, it most certainly wouldn't be so regardless of the "fairness" to Monte/Tommy (prong dude) to get their "just desserts" for helping poor misguided Adam, it's total BS to be releasing these songs now under these circumstances. And that's the problem. Monte/Tommy (prong) aren't visible enough or invested enough for this to even impact them. Adam on the other hand has media buzz about his music and his upcoming second album and this album muddies those waters greatly. The same thing happened with his first album and it just sucks. Where were all these people who are now so willing to produce and release an album from him when he was shopping for record deals? They closed their doors to him. For them to now take advantage of his hard work turns my stomach. It's opportunistic and parasitic and disgusting. I don't think anyone said Monte is the mastermind but the question is how much did he know or does he know about this situation and if he knew beforehand why didn't he give Adam a heads up so he wasn't blindsided? _______________________________________ anyway, came back because this is still the only Adam board that isn't totally fantardy LOL. Not sure how much I'll post this time around but this situation made me feel the need to express my thoughts. peace <3 Read more: adamtopia.com/index.cgi?board=daily&action=display&thread=516&page=41#ixzz1aONoi2cs |
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Post by CindyM421 on Oct 10, 2011 10:36:42 GMT -5
Here's my feeling. Put the music out as The Citizen Vein. That's the way it was recorded. It was NEVER Adam solo material and the way they are presenting and marketing it as such is sleazy and opportunistic and if Monte is involved then he is too.
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Post by psychedelic on Oct 10, 2011 10:36:45 GMT -5
Just because Adam is now a bigshot doesn't mean that his "feelings" outweigh the other two thirds of the band's feelings. So as far as any Monte/Adam showdown over release/don't release I tend to fall on Monte/Tommy(prong)'s side. Since I don't think that Adam's head is that big I also don't think their is any Adam/Monte feud. IF the album was released under Citizen vein, maybe so. But it is released under the name Adam Lambert, and I think that is more than good reason for his feelings to outweigh the others. In terms of visibility, I think Monte has gained more visibility working as Adam`s guitarist than he would have ever gotten from citizen vein. If he were to seek visibility from this BFM, he would be seeking to exploit ADams fame, as the visibility sure wont have come from the music on BFM alone. If the objective were truly just to get the music of CV out there, they could have just found another singer or release it under CV, not under Adam`s name. ALso, I am against accusing/blaming Monte of anything when we know so little about the situation. However, I think its also ridiculous how Monte is suddenly getting so much credit for having set up a band for his own interests, which wasnt even successful. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 10:39:24 GMT -5
Here's my feeling. Put the music out as The Citizen Vein. That's the way it was recorded. It was NEVER Adam solo material and the way they are presenting and marketing it as such is sleazy and opportunistic and if Monte is involved then he is too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 10:42:09 GMT -5
Welcome back, wonderstruck! And, I love your post and want to marry it!
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Post by hoopla1 on Oct 10, 2011 10:58:36 GMT -5
For me, the horse won't be dead until Monte kills it. IMHO, YMMV, etc. etc. Yep. We need a little "from the horse's mouth" before the horse can really be declared dead, IMO. Speaking of dead--this thread is that, I'm sure...but I wanna put in my 2 cents, which is about all it's worth. I was very careful to read every post about this BFM situation, and I see both sides of peeps arguments, but I am only here for Adam. That's my bottom line. I have never seen Monte and Adam as being closest of friends (and this is not just an amorphous ~feeling, it's based on from-the-horses'-mouths words) and have never thought they had the same musical tastes or goals. IF Monte is unhappy being "just" part of Adam's band, I hope he moves on and concentrates on his own dreams and I'll wish him every success. Cam seems quite happy and able to incorporate touring with Adam along with her OWN music in UhHuhHer, so it CAN be done. I realize that M and A having written music together previously adds another dimension to their relationship, but really-- IMHO, no one ever owes much to anyone who's collaborated of his own free will, for his own benefit at the time. But if I agree with the theory that Adam owes Monte SOMETHING, would someone please tell me exactly when Adam's "debt" to Monte is paid? Seriously. After all the old music is put out there, will A have paid his debt in full? I am NOT being sarcastic or putting Monte down at all. It's a serious question. How much and for how long does A "owe" M in your opinion? I don't care about BFM. I don't think this is such a huge deal--just that it's truly the worst possible timing--and it is SLEAZY coattail-riding timing. But it'll be a blip in the BIG picture. I wish Adam could just say Monte, let's make a deal. You can have ALL THE MONEY from those old songs as long as you will agree to using your influence to keep them out of the spotlight DURING THE TIMEFRAME of the release/promotion of my CURRENT MUSIC. Naive? Maybe. But whatever "debt" A owes M neds to be paid off once and for all and then they can do whatever the fuck they want without having this shit come up every.single.time Adam gets ready to debut his current vision/music. Otherwise, we may as well just save Take One and BFM-gate threads and repost them and LAUGH every other year, as history will just repeat itself ad nauseum. BTW, as for the music itself, I happen to like the pop/dance/trance stuff that Adam made (lying in bed with his laptop, lol) way more than I do the CV stuff--JMO, music is subjective, etc., etc. My fav CV song lasts exactly :38 seconds, lol! |
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