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Music and musicians NOT ADAM Mar 5, 2016 11:38:11 GMT -5

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Post by freakydeaky on Mar 5, 2016 11:38:11 GMT -5

Ok, I'm going to add another group I love, I love the singer's voice. The band formed in Leeds. They get their name from the delta symbol ∆, which you get on a mac by pressing Alt + J, hence Alt j.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtmrYisoxXA

The third track on This Is All Yours, Nara is the second song in a trilogy. Arrival in Nara, Nara, Leaving Nara.

It's a song about being gay and facing discrimination, and wanting to run away, to 'be a deer in Nara'. Nara is a city in japan where deer are treated as godlike creatures and allowed to roam the streets unhindered.

The song also mentions sources where homophobia has featured in the news in recent times, such as:
- Alabama, an extremely conservative US state,
- Alvan E. Bovay, founder of the Republican party, and
- 'Hallelujah', acknowledging a religious root to prejudice.

Their lyrics 'I've discovered a man like no other man' and 'unpin your butterflies Russia' are a reference to Russia's vehement discrimination of homosexuals, as evidenced by the recent Olympic Games 2014, which is what provoked the writing of the song, 'butterflies' here represents the LGBTQI community.

There are references to other works such as Blue Is The Warmest Colour.

I've copied and pasted the lyrics:

Soon
I'm gonna marry a man like no other
Light the fuse, hallelujah, hallelujah

Love
Love is the warmest colour
Petrol blues, hallelujah, hallelujah
Comes
Saut dans le vide, my lover
In my youth the greatest tide washed up my prize
You

Follow, let him go, let him lead me be
Love is a pharaoh, and in front of me
I thought let him be where he'd want to be
Love is a pharaoh and he's boning me

I've discovered a man like no other man
I've discovered a man like no other man
I've discovered a man like no other man
I've found a love to love like no other can

I've found a love to love like no other can
He's found me, my Aslan

Hallelujah, Bovay, Alabama
Marry a man like no other
Hallelujah, Bovay, Alabama
Love is the warmest colour
Hallelujah, Bovay, Alabama
Unpin your butterflies, Russia
Hallelujah, Bovay, Alabama
To be a deer in Nara

'His nebulous body swayed above, His tongue swollen with devil's love..'

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Music and musicians NOT ADAM Mar 6, 2016 23:58:00 GMT -5

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Post by red panda on Mar 6, 2016 23:58:00 GMT -5

cassie wrote:

Alisan is a very well trained, accomplished singer with lots of experience. When I listened to the podcast and she was asked what she had learned from Christina as a coach I thought..... "What could she learn? She is already beyond Christina as a singer." However, Christina is a SUPERSTAR. Vocally, technically, there might not be anything Christina can contribute, but she might have good tips for presentation.

Personally, I do not care for Alisan's tone when she belts those high notes. I don't hear any warmth or depth in the tone. It sounds strident to me. But, Alisan is not alone in that. It is how most pop divas sing/belt the big notes. It is a style. Alisan CAN sing in a beautiful, unforced head voice, but that is not the pop sound she is going after.

Alisan certainly has the voice to win the competition. But, as we all know, it is not really about the voice in these shows. Or not chiefly about the voice. She has to present herself in a way that wins the voters' love; her back story of early fame as a child star, followed by struggles and addiction, pulling herself out, having a loving husband and children and normal life.... all that might appeal to the voters.

Thanks, cassie. I hear her high notes as rather ear piecing, not a pleasant sound for me. No feels. I did enjoy the beginning of Blue Bayou , which had a lower pitch.

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Music and musicians NOT ADAM Mar 11, 2016 1:13:24 GMT -5

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Mar 6, 2016 23:58:00 GMT -5 red panda said:

cassie wrote:

Alisan is a very well trained, accomplished singer with lots of experience. When I listened to the podcast and she was asked what she had learned from Christina as a coach I thought..... "What could she learn? She is already beyond Christina as a singer." However, Christina is a SUPERSTAR. Vocally, technically, there might not be anything Christina can contribute, but she might have good tips for presentation.

Personally, I do not care for Alisan's tone when she belts those high notes. I don't hear any warmth or depth in the tone. It sounds strident to me. But, Alisan is not alone in that. It is how most pop divas sing/belt the big notes. It is a style. Alisan CAN sing in a beautiful, unforced head voice, but that is not the pop sound she is going after.

Alisan certainly has the voice to win the competition. But, as we all know, it is not really about the voice in these shows. Or not chiefly about the voice. She has to present herself in a way that wins the voters' love; her back story of early fame as a child star, followed by struggles and addiction, pulling herself out, having a loving husband and children and normal life.... all that might appeal to the voters.

Thanks, cassie. I hear her high notes as rather ear piecing, not a pleasant sound for me. No feels. I did enjoy the beginning of Blue Bayou , which had a lower pitch.

The one blessing is that Alisan doesn't sing either with a nasally or forced throat sound - agree re some of her high notes feel very piercing (bit like that tone little girls screaming when they play have - it goes straight through you and not in a good way). Alisan has a few songs on You Tube that are lovely so will be interesting to see if Xtina just gives her belting songs or lets her dial it back here and there to show the different colors of her voice.

I thought this song on youtube was quite lovely:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=js1Q3nQi8gU

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Music and musicians NOT ADAM Apr 7, 2016 9:52:23 GMT -5

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Post by red panda on Apr 7, 2016 9:52:23 GMT -5

cassie, another question about another singer.

Siobhan Magnus intrigued me when she was on Idol. Here's a sample:

Now she is performing American Songbook songs with Mark Mahar and the Boston Swing Band.

Some questions:

Although I think her voice is lovely, IMO, it doesn't move me. The only word I can think of is that her voice is thin to my ears. Could you tell me what you think?

Thanks!

Sidenote: in my wants and dreams section: Adam singing At Last.

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Music and musicians NOT ADAM Apr 7, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -5

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Post by cassie on Apr 7, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -5

Hmmm, interesting. She has a better voice than I anticipated from what I saw on Idol. She seemed too full of herself then, and maybe that turned me off. Here she sings lightly, without belting or pushing her voice, and it is pleasant to listen to.

I understand your comment about her voice being thin. I agree, it lacks warmth and roundness in the tone. It doesn't sound at all rich to me. Also, there are times when I feel she is not supporting the tone very strongly, making it, not off pitch, but maybe wavering or just a little tentative. Her voice sounds young, to me.

The other thing is I don't get any FEELING from her interpretation. She is adding some variation on the melody, and some ornamentation, but it still sounds pretty generic to me. Maybe you are reacting the same way?

It is hard for me to explain, but maybe I can give an example. Here is Jane Monheit, who has a similar range or type of voice. Her voice sounds richer, tho', and she creates such feeling in her interpretation. It is subtle things like extending a note just a little longer, pausing, speeding up a phrase a little, bending a note a little, caressing a note or phrase, if you know what I mean. What do you think?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzkZHqCRET4

Words make you think a thought. Music makes you feel a feeling. A song makes you feel a thought.

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Music and musicians NOT ADAM Apr 7, 2016 13:33:51 GMT -5

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Post by red panda on Apr 7, 2016 13:33:51 GMT -5

As usual, right on! The word I was missing was rich. Siobhan's voice is not rich to my ears. Not warm, not round, yes.

Not what Melinda Doolittle heard when she said Adam's voice sounds expensive. I know exactly what she meant, his voice is sumptuous, rich, luxurious ...well, you know!

And thank you so much for that video. I turned into JLo and got goosies all over from Jane Monheit, definitely going to explore her further. The whole presentation of her music was just lovely, that guitarist was the perfect accompaniment.

Plus I am a sucker for those wonderful old songs, love everything about them, including whatever they call the intro/prelude to the song itself, don't know what that is called.

Also, great choice of a comparable comparison for Siobhan.

Thanks!

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saraswati Member Posts: 854 Location:	Music and musicians NOT ADAM Apr 11, 2016 14:56:23 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by saraswati on Apr 11, 2016 14:56:23 GMT -5 I'd like to share a video of my friend, Vicki Burns, playing in NYC:
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red panda Member Posts: 1,677 Location:	Music and musicians NOT ADAM Apr 13, 2016 9:41:16 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by red panda on Apr 13, 2016 9:41:16 GMT -5 cassie, I don't remember if you are watching The Voice this season, but I think there are some really great voices. This girl is only 17.
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Music and musicians NOT ADAM May 2, 2016 1:21:18 GMT -5

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Post by red panda on May 2, 2016 1:21:18 GMT -5

Pretty grueling schedule for Justin Bieber's Purpose World Tour:

scroll down to tour listing

The tour, just in tickets, has already brought in ~$26,000,000. According to this Wiki entry, he has sold out every venue so far.

Tour runs March 9 through November 29. Can't even imagine the total revenue for the tour with merchandise sales and those cardboard meet and greets.

U2 had the highest grossing tour ever, (Wiki), bringing in close to $775,000,000 in today's dollars for 110 shows. Doesn't indicate that figure including merchandise or extras, so I think it is just ticket sales.

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Music and musicians NOT ADAM May 11, 2016 20:28:16 GMT -5

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Post by wilis on May 11, 2016 20:28:16 GMT -5

Cassie, could you talk to me about allison porter's voice? i can't stand her shrieking, which is all she seems to do (and i hate how that has become a popular form of singing nowadays). she doesn't seem to have any vocal skill whatever and just relies on her ability to belt out the notes (ooh, her poor throat must hurt). i wonder why adam doesn't teach her a little technique, or at least point her to a good teacher. of course, i'm such a meddler that that's what i would do, even if it would get me in trouble, which it probably would.